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If this has already been discussed and beat to death please forgive me as I was unable to find it. I am not a benchrest or a competitive shooter. However I have had the opportunity to talk with many. When we speak of bullets they all agree that monometals are great for hunting. Then I get inundated with technical jargon about why they don't work for paper punching or "long range" work. The most common statement is, "If they were so great, somebody would be winning matches with them." My response is always, "Have you tried them?" and the their answer has always been, "NO".

Why is this? Has anyone used monos and proved to themselves that they don't work as well?

I don't have a dog in this fight, it is just pure curiosity on my part.

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The only monometals I have used have been GS Custom's HV and FN bullets. The HV's have been in 375 H&H and have proven to be extremely accurate out to 200 yards, the longest range I had at the time. However, I do not consider the 375 H&H to be the optimum BR or competition cartridge. There are other match bullets that are used in BR circles by Fowler, Bruno, Berger etc. etc. that are not mono's but are still the gold standard (I may be a bit out of date here). I suspect one might have a problem putting such 22 and 6mm bullets in a lathe!
Just my 2 cents,
Peter.
Edit: I have also used CEB's in my 500NE! Also probably not a BR or target caliber.


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Lots of great BR jacketed lead core bullets. If you are speaking of lathe turned bullets, they aren't competition competitive.
 
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IIRC, about 15 years ago Barnes ran an ad touting a 1,000 yard record that had been shot with their monometals in a 50BMG.

I might be misremembering.


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Sometimes my memory surprises me....

https://groups.google.com/foru...rec.guns/qeLXW8wOg7o

http://bulletin.accurateshoote...ecord-at-1000-yards/


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Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

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To the best of my.knowledge, there are 3 reasons competitive shooters shoot lead core bullets.
1, cost
2, ballistic coeficent
3, reduced damage to steel targets.

And 4th . If they are at a place where lead bullets are not allowed.

Because bullets rely on both weight And shape to gain ballistic coefficency But rifle barrels have a set twist. A mono metal bullet that will obturate , ie copper or brass has to be longer than a lead core bullet of the same caliber and weight.
If say you are shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor, the standard twist for 140 gr bullets is 1 in 8" for the standard A-Max, Berger VLD, 142 SMK ect. If say CEB made a 140 gr solid VLD bt target bullet it would require a 1 in 7" or faster twist.
Not many 1 in 7 twist match grade 6.5 barrels out there.
I went thru this mental and verbal exercise last year.
Just can't get the bc without the weight and if you get the weight your twist is too slow.


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