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Another red herring? I think pretty much eveone here knew who and what the original poster had in mind. Apparently you did too....
 
Posts: 9685 | Location: Cave Creek 85331, USA | Registered: 17 August 2001Reply With Quote
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AC,
I know the hill of which you speak, it is in fact a n "E" ticket. Not many places to hit 63 on a road bike Big Grin

Problem is, just because the local resident snowbirds put up a sign saying "private road" doesn't make it so. I am from Phoenix and have no particular axe to grind with our winter visitors. However, some have a tendency to have an attitude that "I got my piece of Arizona now lock the doors". That road (desert mountain area?) is not gated & not private. The fight is this, They want it gated but don't want the fee's associated with gated communities, can't have it both ways.

Just because this thread is about bike slobs, if I use an analogy of slob shooters (this is a hunting, shooting forum)to try and make a point, I am not hijacking, simply trying to make all understand there are slob, rude dickheads in every aspect of our daily lives.

I can't and won't try and police the worst of cycling, all I can do is not associate myself with them and I do not. No more that I would expect any one of you to go tell the slob range rat blowing cigarette smoke in my face to stop it. If I don't like it, I'll move positions. There, its just that simple.

Try this, next time a cyclist is rude get up next to him and tell him to pull over and challenge him to a fist fight? well, why not if you feel that strongly about it. Most of us are only about 5' 10" and about 150#.

Or am I hijacking this thread again because I don't agree that ALL cyclist are this way? or most....or the vast majority??.

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Originally posted by 1 Shot Hunter:
This thread is about why we hate the bikers that piss everyone off.

Let's talk about that here. You're evading the topic.



According to the originator of this thread, he's not talking just about "the bikers that piss everyone off", but all of them:

Originally posted by Rae59:
This ain't about motorcycles. They are licensed, insured, and legal. In other words they've paid their dues.
This is about bi-cyclers. Un-licensed, un-insured, un-legal, un-caring about taking up road space that others are paying for. They enjoy being obstructionist. A bunch of Lance Armstrong wanna-bes.
It is Socialism.....have others pay for their snarrling up of a productive society.


My anger is more sub-dued towards those that obey the laws of the road AND respect motor vehicles of any type than those who don't. (I can't remember the last time I've seen ANY bi-cylist observe ANY traffic laws)
However, IF I have to have liability insurance and pay road tax through license plates and inspection stickers for each and every vehicle AND obey the laws of the road then a bi-cyclist should too. Riding a bi-cycle on a paved road is not a right! It is a privelige!

As I stated earlier, everyone has a right to right-of-way but not to hard road surfaceses unless they pay for them.
Bi-cyclist should stay on the shoulder or better yet in the bar ditches. And stay off the asphalt until they are legal, licensed and insured.


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If they had to wear a clearly visible license plate, I think that would be very effective in knocking down their arrogant, abusive behavior.
 
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AC,
I know the hill of which you speak, it is in fact a n "E" ticket. Not many places to hit 63 on a road bike Big Grin

Problem is, just because the local resident snowbirds put up a sign saying "private road" doesn't make it so. I am from Phoenix and have no particular axe to grind with our winter visitors. However, some have a tendency to have an attitude that "I got my piece of Arizona now lock the doors". That road (desert mountain area?) is not gated & not private. The fight is this, They want it gated but don't want the fee's associated with gated communities, can't have it both ways.


Well, either you or the Arizona Republic is wrong. And as you know, they couldn't gate a public road, regardless what community association fees are charged.

But, IF it's a road paid for and maintained by the community, not maintained by the City or the County, and on land owned by the community, it IS a private road.

The Republic could be wrong, of course. It's not like we don't ever see that. But we will see what actually occurs in this instance, and what the reasoning behind the ultimate decision is.

As to whether it is the piece of road you have in mind, I don't know. Believe me, I can't read your mind or see the GPS maps or landscape pictures in your mind.

And, do I detect a little resentment of "snowbirds"? Not that there are many of them here right now, when the daily high temps are still hitting over 100 degrees. So, maybe it isn't snowbirds doing the complaining? Maybe that's blaming a group which isn't causing two-wheelers the problem?

No, couldn't be. That is only done by us who complain about bicyclists, right?
 
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Thought I might as well toss this in here too, for all to have at...

If I was elected God, and asked to solve the problems caused by bicyclists, I'd do the following:

1, First and foremost...require all bicyclists who are going to use public streets or highways to obtain a bicycle driving license...complete with both written and riding ability tests, to be renewed every four years.

2. Require bicyclists to have their bikes registered with the State and carrying clearly visible valid license plates, renewed annually.

3. Require them to carry proof of valid public liability and property damage insurance on their person when operating a bike on a public road or other public property.

4. Require their bike to pass an annual bike inspection for safety devices, like working head and stop lights, horn, and working brakes.

5. Put in place a "point system" where citations WOULD result in penalty points being added to their driving records in addition to any fines or other sentences the traffic courts might impose. If a certain number of points were accumulated, their right to operate a bicycle would be revoked, or suspended for a period of not less than 6 months duration.

That would be for openers.

They don't seem too onerous to me. We car, truck, and motorcycle operators already have to comply with those requirements to operate our vehicles on public property, streets and highways in Arizona.

If those requirements didn't make the problem significantly less, other requirements and/or penalties might be added.


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Ditto A.C.
My thoughts EXACTLY! tu2
Your'e on a roll!
Don't forget to tell them that psycolist should also be limtited to roads/streets where they can match the speed limits.


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Thought I might as well toss this in here too, for all to have at...

If I was elected God, and asked to solve the problems caused by bicyclists, I'd do the following:

1, First and foremost...require all bicyclists who are going to use public streets or highways to obtain a bicycle driving license...complete with both written and riding ability tests, to be renewed every four years.

2. Require bicyclists to have their bikes registered with the State and carrying clearly visible valid license plates, renewed annually.

3. Require them to carry proof of valid public liability and property damage insurance on their person when operating a bike on a public road or other public property.

4. Require their bike to pass an annual bike inspection for safety devices, like working head and stop lights, horn, and working brakes.

5. Put in place a "point system" where citations WOULD result in penalty points being added to their driving records in addition to any fines or other sentences the traffic courts might impose. If a certain number of points were accumulated, their right to operate a bicycle would be revoked, or suspended for a period of not less than 6 months duration.

That would be for openers.

They don't seem too onerous to me. We car, truck, and motorcycle operators already have to comply with those requirements to operate our vehicles on public property, streets and highways in Arizona.

If those requirements didn't make the problem significantly less, other requirements and/or penalties might be added.


The above suggestions are rediculous. Simply another Government Tax under the guise of protecting the sheeple. I'm always surprised when folks who engage in outdoor, Second Amendment-loving activity prove to have been brainwashed by the Left.

1. Obtaining a license issued by the Government to do just about anything, is just another way to tax. It will not result in protecting anyone from anything generally. How rediculous is it that, for example, that interior decorators or barbers have to be licensed by the Government to do business? If I know you can cut hair well and want to pay you for a haircut, we've just broken the law. Same goes for gun ownership; a firearm is much more dangerous in the wrong hands than a bicycle. Are you also for gun licensing and registration? Written and ability tests to be renewed every four years? Just a way for Government to seep deeper into our lives. I want them out!

2. License plates covered above and renewing them annually is a TAX just like registering your car.

3. Proof of insurance? I don't know. How much damage to a road, path or someone's property can a 12 speed do? Seems to me like cars and roads damage bicycles much more!

4. Safety Inspections? More Government BS. Do all motor vehicles in AZ have yearly inspections for operation and safety? I don't know, but here they surely do not. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be a great reason to hire a bunch of Government employees to do the inspections and paperwork. Great. Expand Government even more and spend more. Great idea.

I'm sure that next we should have a Government issued license for just about everything you could possibly do from the time you get up to the time you go to sleep. Hell, we could even issue Government licenses FOR getting up and going to sleep.
 
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What is ridiculous is anyone's believing I would actually impose such laws. The intent was to get cyclists thinking for a change, instead of blindly asserting their "rights". Think about what society may do if it can find no other way to force responsible road behavior on those who blatently flaunt it.

It is almost as ridiculous to think that motor vehicle operators' licenses, vehicle license plates, and motor vehicle insurance are only in place because of government desires for tax monies.

It was the same kind of irresponsible behavior by motorists which led to initial public action to require driver's licenses, license plates, and mandatory insurance for motorists. When I was young, automobile insurance was not even required in many states...and it was only a few years prior that Drivers' licenses were not required either.

Like it or not, the only "rights" anyone has ever had are the rights which the society in which they live/lived allows (or allowed) them, contingent on their contributing to the well being of that society...or at least not diminishing it.

That, of course, flies in the face of the concept of God Given Rights, but a study of history will tell us that whether it should be true or not, it is.


But, I propose that if cyclists do not learn to straighten up, fly right, and regulate their own activities (whether sport or not), they could well see such things come to pass within the lifetimes of many now posting on this forum.

Personally, I would hate to see it come to be, because for many kids, especially in small rural towns without VERY inexpensive public treansport, bicycles are their key to freeedom, adventure, mobility, and self development....especially now that both parents may be working (if they can find jobs) and not be available to take kids to play baseball, swim, go to the library, and all kinds of other things they may need to do as part of their growing process.

Now, I might eventually be induced to support such laws myself for adults...those over 18, if they continue to act as if they were only 3 years old, regardless whether you think it is just a tax thing or not. Something IS going to have to be done, for public safety.

But I'd hate to see it. I'd like to see kids in particular still riding bikes to school for distances of up to 4 or 5 miles or so each way. The exercise would be good for them, as would the 15-20 minutes independence from their parents and teachers each way, and the resonsibility for getting themselves where they need to be, safely and on time. Their time on a school bus is pretty much wasted (and expensive).

So, if you have a solution, let us hear it, please.
 
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So, if you have a solution, let us hear it, please.


Well, reading back through the thread, I really don't see a problem. If there is one, it's the motorist's intolerance to sharing the road with them and some kind of "punish them with taxation" (fees) mentality.

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Is anyone else tired of having to move over and yield to fu...ing bi-cyclers?
They don't pay any road tax,
no liability insurance,
no vehicle inspection,
no lights or turn signals,
they don't observe any driving laws and more often than not they ride two or three abreast while holding up traffic and a licensed vehicle is suppose to yield to them!
What's wrong with this picture???????
I say screw them!!!!
I'm going to start egging them on sight.



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I am a slender semi-fit tax payer who is sick of forced payment and servitude (taxes/insurance) for someone elses pleasures. (I.E. socialistic society) Once these F..ing bicyclers start paying for their right to use the asphalt that "we" licensed, insured, taxed, street legal-law observing vehicles are paying for then I will subside in my hatred for these parasites.
But until then I will engoy life by thinking of engaging in the fore-mentioned activities with them every chance I get.


This even though they pay just as much as the rest of Motor Vehicle owners because they are ALSO motor vehicle owners.

The reason they are entitled to the Right of Way is the exact same reason pedestrians are entitled to it. Bikes don't hurt cars and their occupants, Cars can hurt Bikes and their occupants.

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So while bicyclists can be jerks, I can deal with an individual taking up some road space and if it costs me an extra 20 seconds it is much preferable to do than begging the gov't to make even more laws and regulations.



I agree! Mark has it right in every one of his posts on this thread.

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Originally posted by Rae59:

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Originally posted by Mark:
And so down we go down the road to Big Brotherhood...............................

So while bicyclists can be jerks, I can deal with an individual taking up some road space and if it costs me an extra 20 seconds it is much preferable to do than begging the gov't to make even more laws and regulations.

Mark

Golly geez Mark, could you possibly be a "biker"?

I NEVER said one thing about "any" more laws. (If anything I want them repealed). All I said was: "I want to EGG the fu....ing. scum OR have them follow the "EXISTING LAWS" as everyone else does". (Also I wouldn't mind seeing them fall face first on the asphalt, by their own doing of course).

By the way, IF I were in control, we would have the SMALLEST prison system in the world.
There would be "only 10 prison cells". As each "new prisoner comes in, he/she goes to cell #10 and cell #1 gets a bullet, lethal injection, rope, or drug behing a bi-cylce until dead - I REALLY don't care how they end up in hell.

So you see, both YOU and I want a smaller prison system, but back to the subject, bi-cyclers should follow the same rules as EVERONE ELSE!


Not a biker at all, for the record I haven't even been on a bike for several years.

So no, I am not a biker. But if we want to call each other names, I could say that you sound pretty much like a lobbyist, regardless of what you actually claim to be. I mean c'mon, you say you don't want more laws but look at what you had actually written:


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Originally posted by Rae59:
Is anyone else tired of having to move over and yield to fu...ing bi-cyclers?
They don't pay any road tax,
no liability insurance,
no vehicle inspection,
no lights or turn signals,
they don't observe any driving laws and more often than not they ride two or three abreast while holding up traffic and a licensed vehicle is suppose to yield to them!
What's wrong with this picture???????
I say screw them!!!!
I'm going to start egging them on sight.


They don't pay any road tax (What is the only way we can fix this? I know- make a new law...)
no liability insurance (What is the only way we can fix this? I know- make a new law...)
no lights or turn signals (What is the only way we can fix this? I know- make a new law...)

And then at the end you state they don't obey the laws anyway.

The way it appears to me, that instead of wanting new laws made you should read up on the bicycling laws in your state, and if you are behind a group of them that are not obeying the law then you should get on your cell phone and complain to the cops about it. If the cops don't do anything about it then start going to city council meetings and politely make the point that existing laws need to be enforced, not say there need to be a bunch of new restrictions to be put on American citizens because we don't have enough yet.

 
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Actually, bicyclists who cause accidents among drivers either distracted by their disjointed, illegal use of the roadways or trying to avoid them can do lots of damage to vehicles and property, especially in the crowded areas of downtown streets, sidewalks, and "zero set-back" buildings, even if the bikes and motor vehicles never touch each other.

And apparently, you haven't been following the nature of the complaints here. The problem described was not one of intolerance by motorists, but of illegal and dangerous behavior by cyclists in traffic.

Of course some of the posters showed what amounts to road rage. I'm not surprised, as the authorities take no actions to diminish such behavior by cyclists and no one would dare take any physical action against them regardless of how egregious the bicyclists' unjustifiable offenses.

The posters are using the thread both to try to express their frustration, hoping that at least some cyclists will pick up a clue from it, and to let off some steam.

But anyway, one has to recognize the problem exists before thy can help solve it, so enough of that inquiry. No sense looking for an exit strategy down a blind alley.

I just hope something can be done before some folks DO try to solve it physically. Pretty much all the motorists I know have tried to share the rights of way with cyclists and have been met with mostly scorn, flip-offs, etc., from said cyclists.

I have no idea when one or more of them may lose their patience, but I hope it is never. No cycling jerk is worth it.
 
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Imposing license plate fees and inspection stickers on bicyclers would not be a new tax at all. Merely closing a loop hole on a bunch of elitist who skirt around the already existing laws while being a hazard to those who paid for the roadway. By the way my hair cutter has a license to operate as does my plumber.

As far as your assertion as to my thoughts being liberal, a liberal is one who wants everyone else to pay for their way of life i.e. bi-cylers on public roads. Quite frankly I am sick of being one of those who pays for others who don't. Just another form of welfare and socialism when you get down to it.

I also noticed while you selectively chose some of my quotes, you failed to post my question on "how would one go about sueing a cyclist who causes a accident? I also stated that in the community I grew up in, bicycles were required to have a license and abide by certain common sense rules. That was in the 1960's. So it is really nothing new now is it?

P.S. RC,Mark
I suppose you would have no problem with single engine prop planes flying in commercial airliner airways???? What's the difference?


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Rae, AC,

If you look at this mess in the picture you will see 4 different bikes all for different purposes, your suggestion to tax, license, regulate I'm curious, each one? or just one that covers me?.



If you look real hard behind them all s my sons bike, shall he be required as well?

More and bigger government.


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My suggestion is that you do some more reading.

You apparently missed the later posts.

IF I had been serious, Then of course I would apply it to all of them, just like the State does all of my cars now.

But I WAS serious when I said that my post was an attempt to make you & your fellow cyclists think. If you all as a group don't find a way to straighten up your members' acts, one day you may very well find yourself facing exactly those kinds of laws.

And as I also said earlier, they didn't come into being on cars as an excuse for a tax. They came into being to bring some order into the same kinds of idiotic chaos, by motorists.

Now that the governments are so much more pressed for dinero, they'd likely be even easier to get enacted to regulate bicyclists.

I'd suggest you guys might want to quit giving them the excuse to do so. Your choice. Won't hurt me a bit either way.
 
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So......like RC said, if we were to tax or further license firearms the shootings will go away. Or are you saying if we law abiding shooters don't educate the criminals amongst us we may loose our freedoms?

Geez...with this administration that would never happen. You cannot tell me we are talking apples and oranges either.

So the answer for those that like the regulation route. I would need: 5 car licenses, 4 boat licenses and seven bike registrations? and my 13 year old sons bike?

I did read the entire thread, and didn't think you were not serious.

So should the states also make texting and driving illegal? those are the guys that kill cyclists..I am willing to take my chances and endure my freedoms for what they are. There is no safety in a free and open society.


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You just refuse to think this through, don't you?

I didn't SAY it WOULD solve the problem, any more than it has solved completely the problem of bad drivers.

What I said was that cyclists bad behavior would be an excuse for passing such regulations. Now, you guys can choose to contribute to the building of that trap to catch yourselves, or you can organize and regulate your jerk memebers behaviors (however many there are) to prevent as much of it as you can.

One thing is for sure. as the roadways become more crowded, and smoothly flowing safe traffic becomes even more vital to everyday business life, something will happen eventually.

I'd think cyclists would want to look like the "good guys" when that comes up for legislative consideration eventually. But maybe not. Maybe cyclists want to look like arrogant pricks. Quien Sabe?


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No, but you are insinuating that if we do not self police we will be subject to govt regulation. What about bad drivers we have now.

My point in the last post was, it's life, some people just suck, deal with it. Thats what living in America is, live and let live.

And we are the good guys Wink

On a lake the boaters hate the jet ski's
on a ski slope the skiers hate the boarders
on a face, the free guys hate the mechanical guys
on south mountain the roadies hate the gravity guys.
on trails the Equestrians hate the MTB's and the hikers hate them all.

Where do we stop this madness?


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No, unfortunately your group is not one of good guys. At least not to a great many motorists who, I suspect, vastly outnumber cyclists with their voting power.

It is them you need to convince. Not just me. And words aren't very convincing in the long run. Actions are.

Every act has its consequences. That is a universal law. Sometimes they are quick and predictable, Other times the consequences are neither. But each and every one, good or bad, has its consequences.


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a bunch of elitist


Sounds to me as if this a lot deeper than bikes on roads. Sorry you perceive bikers as "elitists".


What else would you call someone who thinks they shouldn't have to abide by the same rules as others?


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AC,

Here....maybe we should raise your tax's and implement this.

http://www.azbikeped.org/appen...20BikePed%20Plan.pdf


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Well Sir, you probably need to stay out of a good portion of Colorado, they are damn serious about bikers having the right of way in a bunch of places up there.


colorado=kalifornication lite........................ same kind of fruits and nuts......................


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Sounds to me as if this a lot deeper than bikes on roads. Sorry you perceive bikers as "elitists".



Actually, it is only the pootly behaved ones who flaunt and ignore the rules of the road, and then try to justify it on some flimsy basis such as that they are better people because they exercise, and therefore are due no criticism, that appear elitist to the bone.

There are some bikers here on Cave Creek Road each morning who are scrupulously careful in their riding. Them I have great respect for. They are doing their thing and interfering with no one that I know of.

Them I would help, and protect, any way I can. Their behavior shows them to be the kind of folks society needs more of, in my opinion. YMMV.

But, the people who pass on the right where there is no lane, run stop lights, weave in and out of traffic, then chuck you the finger if you glare at their actions, them I find obnoxious self-centered. And you get the same kind of swill from them as excuses for their careless riding.

Sorry if that disturbs some, but that's the way I see it.


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Rae, AC,

If you look at this mess in the picture you will see 4 different bikes all for different purposes, your suggestion to tax, license, regulate I'm curious, each one? or just one that covers me?.



If you look real hard behind them all s my sons bike, shall he be required as well?

More and bigger government.


still not impressed......................


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If your sick of fucking Bikers try a woman instead!!! dancing



now that there's funny!! i don't care who ya are!!

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Rae, AC,

If you look at this mess in the picture you will see 4 different bikes all for different purposes, your suggestion to tax, license, regulate I'm curious, each one? or just one that covers me?.



If you look real hard behind them all s my sons bike, shall he be required as well?

More and bigger government.


still not impressed......................


PRAY FOR OBAMA... PSALMS 109.....


It's not bigger government just closing the loop holes and making the irresponsable become responsable.
Regards to your son's bike; If I am seeing what I think I see, is he riding his bike on the road with automobiles....un-attended??


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No, you really cannot see it, for you information 59, it is a custom made bike with 20 inch training wheels.

If someone were to retype this entire thread and replace the word "bike" with "gun" you guys would go ballistic. Its all about who's ox is being gored.

Free society.......most of you seem uncommitted to it. I would aggressively defend anyone of your rights to keep mine intact.


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No, you really cannot see it, for you information 59, it is a custom made bike with 20 inch training wheels.

If someone were to retype this entire thread and replace the word "bike" with "gun" you guys would go ballistic. Its all about who's ox is being gored.

Free society.......most of you seem uncommitted to it. I would aggressively defend anyone of your rights to keep mine intact.


Daaaamn Dude, sorry if I hit nerve! I couldn't see his bike with all that scrap iron in the way.


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No, you really cannot see it, for you information 59, it is a custom made bike with 20 inch training wheels.

If someone were to retype this entire thread and replace the word "bike" with "gun" you guys would go ballistic. Its all about who's ox is being gored.

Free society.......most of you seem uncommitted to it. I would aggressively defend anyone of your rights to keep mine intact.


Bike riders are some of the biggest ass holes around my city. It is a hilly place with lots of curvy roads they cannot climb at a decent speed. Darwin takes out 4 or 5 each year because they cannot stay off of major roads or keep up with traffic and insist on riding where there are no shoulders.
 
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No, you really cannot see it, for you information 59, it is a custom made bike with 20 inch training wheels.

If someone were to retype this entire thread and replace the word "bike" with "gun" you guys would go ballistic. Its all about who's ox is being gored.

Free society.......most of you seem uncommitted to it. I would aggressively defend anyone of your rights to keep mine intact.


Bike riders are some of the biggest ass holes around my city. It is a hilly place with lots of curvy roads they cannot climb at a decent speed. Darwin takes out 4 or 5 each year because they cannot stay off of major roads or keep up with traffic and insist on riding where there are no shoulders.


Shooters are some of the biggest ass holes around my city. Its a place with a lot of farm houses hidden by trees. They cannot see the homes for the trees, They take out 4 or 5 unwary farmers every year because they don't care where they shoot. They insist on shooting where there are no backstops.


BTW thank you for your service to this country, to bad you've forgotten why you put your life in god and countries hands.


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I suppose you would have no problem with single engine prop planes flying in commercial airliner airways???? What's the difference?


Sorry I haven't been watching this thread as closely, I guess I have better things to do than argue over the internet.

Anyway, that is not a good analogy about single engine planes sharing airspace with jets as it is done every day.

See, while I am not a bicyclist I am a commercial pilot and flight instructor. And while I am those things, I don't feel the need to whine about ultralight pilots and how they are a bunch of elitist jerks and why do I have to pay all these taxes and they don't.

However, if I were a lobbyist promoting an agenda then it might be a different story.


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Nganga -

FYI, I see the Scottsdale Republic has a page and a half today on the local home-owner/cyclist feud I mentioned before on this thread.

It IS a private, community owned street and non-resident 4-wheeled vehicles (except for emergency vehicles) are already prevented from traveling on it without property owners' permission.

It is not in Desert Hills or any other part of Phoenix. It is in farthest eastern Scottsdale.

The community is ALREADY a gated community and always HAS been since it was originally built as one, so making that come about on the "cheap" is clearly not part of the homeowners' agenda.

The community has already paid for having many "speed bumps" installed clear across the width of the street a few years ago to try to control the problem. The cyclists avoid the speed bumps without slowing down by riding on the sidewalks.

I doubt the homeowners have a chance of the City of Scottsdale doing anything to assist them, but it will be interesting to see what occurs and how the reasoning wends its way about and around the issue.

You have a nice day now.


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Here in Hawaii we have 2 kinds of cyclists;
The guys who obey the rules and try to get along with everybody.
And you have the Elite Triathageeks who consider themselves immune from all rules and you have to yield to them because they are the Elite class of Athletes.

Seems every year 1 or 2 of the Triathageeks end up dead Because they decided they own the road.

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No, you really cannot see it, for you information 59, it is a custom made bike with 20 inch training wheels.

If someone were to retype this entire thread and replace the word "bike" with "gun" you guys would go ballistic. Its all about who's ox is being gored.

Free society.......most of you seem uncommitted to it. I would aggressively defend anyone of your rights to keep mine intact.


Bike riders are some of the biggest ass holes around my city. It is a hilly place with lots of curvy roads they cannot climb at a decent speed. Darwin takes out 4 or 5 each year because they cannot stay off of major roads or keep up with traffic and insist on riding where there are no shoulders.


Shooters are some of the biggest ass holes around my city. Its a place with a lot of farm houses hidden by trees. They cannot see the homes for the trees, They take out 4 or 5 unwary farmers every year because they don't care where they shoot. They insist on shooting where there are no backstops.


BTW thank you for your service to this country, to bad you've forgotten why you put your life in god and countries hands.


Like it or not,
Nothing you can say make the ass holes on bikes anything else.....
You remind me of the jackass mom down the street. We asked her kid not to ride on the side walk because we were going to water the front yard. To which she said "He can ride the side walk any time he wants". So the water was turned on.
 
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Nganga -

FYI, I see the Scottsdale Republic has a page and a half today on the local home-owner/cyclist feud I mentioned before on this thread.

It IS a private, community owned street and non-resident 4-wheeled vehicles (except for emergency vehicles) are already prevented from traveling on it without property owners' permission.

It is not in Desert Hills or any other part of Phoenix. It is in farthest eastern Scottsdale.

The community is ALREADY a gated community and always HAS been since it was originally built as one, so making that come about on the "cheap" is clearly not part of the homeowners' agenda.

The community has already paid for having many "speed bumps" installed clear across the width of the street a few years ago to try to control the problem. The cyclists avoid the speed bumps without slowing down by riding on the sidewalks.

I doubt the homeowners have a chance of the City of Scottsdale doing anything to assist them, but it will be interesting to see what occurs and how the reasoning wends its way about and around the issue.

You have a nice day now.


Your beginning to bore me with this, PLEASE go have a look at where we spoke about this, I was speaking of another area..go look...there is a similar fight going on up there by the geronimo golf course.

SR,
The sidewalk's where I live, do not need to be watered, so I can't help you with that one. (adjust your sprinklers)

Cheers from an asshole cyclist and hunter, (I shoot signs up as well)


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BTW thank you for your service to this country, to (sic) bad you've forgotten why you put your life in god (sic) and countries (sic) hands.


Nganga - Come on man, back it up a step. This is over the line, on-line or anywhere. If you notice, SR4759 has too much class and honor to respond to this, but since I have led an extremely charmed life, thanks to men like him, and have never had to serve, I just couldn't pass over this. This thread is about irritation with rude cyclists. How in the hell did we get to accusing a veteran of forgetting why he served our country?
 
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Nganga -

FYI, I see the Scottsdale Republic has a page and a half today on the local home-owner/cyclist feud I mentioned before on this thread.

It IS a private, community owned street and non-resident 4-wheeled vehicles (except for emergency vehicles) are already prevented from traveling on it without property owners' permission.

It is not in Desert Hills or any other part of Phoenix. It is in farthest eastern Scottsdale.

The community is ALREADY a gated community and always HAS been since it was originally built as one, so making that come about on the "cheap" is clearly not part of the homeowners' agenda.

The community has already paid for having many "speed bumps" installed clear across the width of the street a few years ago to try to control the problem. The cyclists avoid the speed bumps without slowing down by riding on the sidewalks.

I doubt the homeowners have a chance of the City of Scottsdale doing anything to assist them, but it will be interesting to see what occurs and how the reasoning wends its way about and around the issue.

You have a nice day now.


Your beginning to bore me with this, PLEASE go have a look at where we spoke about this, I was speaking of another area..go look...there is a similar fight going on up there by the geronimo golf course.



I went and looked it up. THIS is what you said:

"AC,
I know the hill of which you speak, it is in fact a n "E" ticket. Not many places to hit 63 on a road bike

Problem is, just because the local resident snowbirds put up a sign saying "private road" doesn't make it so. I am from Phoenix and have no particular axe to grind with our winter visitors. However, some have a tendency to have an attitude that "I got my piece of Arizona now lock the doors". That road (desert mountain area?) is not gated & not private. The fight is this, They want it gated but don't want the fee's associated with gated communities, can't have it both ways."

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YOU can't have it both ways either. You said you knew of the fuss I was referring to. Apparently you didn't. You were referrring to another one.

You also accused the homeowners I was talking about of trying to gate a public road without paying the costs attendant on that. But they weren't.

They had even taken the steps of investing more of their private, non-tax money by physically modifying their street in a way which might reduce the problem.

And, you showed resentment because of their supposedly being "snowbirds". I was born here, and you may have been born here, but MOST of the people here are first generation Arizonans....I.e., either former visitors theirselves or the children of former visitors. That doesn't matter anyway because the birthplace of Arizonans wasn't the thread subject matter.

Once again, please have a nice day.

(BTW, I do remember what I fought for. One of those things was personal property rights, where no one can trespass on land you bought and maintain, endanger your family members, and then chuck you the bird with impugnity just because they think they are better than you are.)
 
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BTW thank you for your service to this country, to (sic) bad you've forgotten why you put your life in god (sic) and countries (sic) hands.


Nganga - Come on man, back it up a step. This is over the line, on-line or anywhere. If you notice, SR4759 has too much class and honor to respond to this, but since I have led an extremely charmed life, thanks to men like him, and have never had to serve, I just couldn't pass over this. This thread is about irritation with rude cyclists. How in the hell did we get to accusing a veteran of forgetting why he served our country?


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Nope, serving ones country does not allow one to behave like this and talk about "jackass moms" that "allow" their children to ride a bike on the sidewalk?

Come now, you must see the incoherent intolerance of these poster like SR and AC who have no compunction to use terms like asshole and jackass then beat you with their military resume when called out. If you'll notice, I did take the time to thank them both for their service.

I once got into a fistfight with a vietnam vet at a march in downtown Phoenix (pro-gun) There was a guy standing on the american flag and calling US names. The Vietnam vet went over to remove him from the flag. I stopped him, he punched me in the face, police stopped the fight. Do you understand why I stood up for the guy standing on the flag?

Its a tough stance to defend sometimes but we must protect the rights these brave men fought for. even if we must fight them that defended those rights sometimes.

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AC

we were typing at the same time.

I will just tell you this, I have never in my lifetime ever flipped the bird at another human being, (kidding with buddies, sure).

I have always been and always will be an extremely courteous cyclist. Believe it, there are some. I would not "go around a gate" to ride in a gated community. I ride in the bike lane, I stop at stop signs,

I cannot convince you that there are courteous cyclist.

If I was ever disrespectful to you my apologies.

Steve


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AC

we were typing at the same time.

I will just tell you this, I have never in my lifetime ever flipped the bird at another human being, (kidding with buddies, sure).

I have always been and always will be an extremely courteous cyclist. Believe it, there are some. I would not "go around a gate" to ride in a gated community. I ride in the bike lane, I stop at stop signs,

I cannot convince you that there are courteous cyclist.

If I was ever disrespectful to you my apologies.

Steve


Steve -

I have never doubted your words that you are a courteous cyclist and that you obey the law. I wish the great bulk of cyclists did the same. I can only comment on the ones I see and encounter, which is what I have been doing.

As I mentioned earlier, there are a few cyclists I see fairly frequently on Cave Creek Road between Tatum and Deer Valley who are very courteous, keep to the bicycle lane, and never cause problems. As I said, I would defend and help them anyway I could because they DO obey the rules of the road.

My beef is with those that don't. And so far, the ones who don't far outnumber those who do, insofar as the ones I have encountered are concerned.

It is the "jerks on bicycles" that are alarming. They seem to be growing in numbers, not diminishing.

I am glad you, at least, are not one of them. Every "good guy" counts! I would assume then that you are also teaching that behavior by example to your son, which is a good thing.

Now if we could only recall all the ones who never benefitted from such an example and retrain them......
 
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AC,
Here's where the line of courtesy and rude behavior begins:

When a seriously competitive cyclist "goes up" or starts to win, and moves up in the road racing circles, they DO IN FACT BECOME ELITIST!!

For some reason they are full of themselves and are unapproachable to anyone but teammates, sponsors and team mangers.

I dont know why...

Mountain Biking is polar from that, in the pits at these events the best in the world pro's are all pretty low key and are completely approachable. I don't know why.

This morning I rode from Lake Pleasant Parkway to Wickenburg and back, I came up on a group of guys riding wearing ipods, I rode behind them for a bit and stated speaking to them to let them know I was there. I finally just showed him a wheel and passed them. At the circle k in Wickenburg they said I "startled" them.

These are what represent the problem, self absorbed in lala land listening to their music, they have very little understanding of what is going on around them.

So, believe it or not I agree with you a bunch more than you might guess.

Cheers, and enjoy your Sunday


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