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I have been studing the Tracker/Wilderness Survival Knife designed by Tom Brown.

It took Tom Brown 7 years to design this "PERFECT" knife.
The knife is all round all purpose knife.
The knife was first made by Ed Lombi then Dave Beck took over and made the knife for about 10 years. The knife is now made by TOPS. Wink
They look like this. The Beck is the knife on top in the picture.


This is the original drawing of the knife by Tom brown.


This is the info I have found about the knife and about Tom Brown.
This is the link to the manuel that comes with the knife PDF file.
http://trackertrail.com/tombrown/trackerknife/TrackerKnifeManual.pdf


Test of the knife
http://www.knifeforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=602598&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

More info about the knife

http://www.trackertrail.com/tombrown/trackerknife/
Many knifemakers are inspired by the Tom Brown design.
This one is from Jensen Elite blades. This is the link to there web site.
http://www.jenseneliteblades.com


Roger Linger also makes a Wilderness Survival Knife this is the link to his site:
http://riflestocks.tripod.com/pics41.html
The Roger Linger Knife looks like this.


More info about Tom Brown

http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=339

Tom Brown is teaching Delta Forces and Navy Seals Ninja-type skill – “to move so that an adversary doesn’t even know you are there.†When he “found that they were also becoming much better killers,†a moral dilemma developed for Brown, and he stopped teaching the military. “But after 9/11, I went back,†said Brown.




You might know the knife from The mowie "The Hunted" a movie where Tommy Lee Jones plays a character that is based on Tom Brown.







More close ups of the TOPS Tracker





A version in damascus was also made by TOPS


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Now how are you going to make a sandwich with that thing! Do I see a kukri influence though?


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No problem the knife is real sharp Big Grin however Tom brown recomend that you have a smaller knife also.
That is why he made the Scout also available from TOPS together these knives are the perfect combo acording to Tom Brown.


Lunch Big Grin



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I see the influence of my favorite hunting knife the Puma white hunter. Wink


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Yet another influence???


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we have been testing this knive in hard use killing boars training,camping ,throwing ,skining hogs etc ,the knife is bigger than the original and marcos one of my phs is testing it hard ,i think the original has a better killing point ,our knife was made by cristian andreo a local guide martial artist and knifemaker we will post our modifications ,my ph marcos fischer ex infatry officer is testing it hard .we tested it with the specialist andre flor too ,hes an expert in knife hunting and figthing ,so i recommend in this post to make serious recomendations and questions its a wonderful and interesting post.juan we will test it hunting hogs with eyedoc too


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Gentlemen

This is the Tracker knife that Christian Andreo made for Marcos.
About 25% oversized.

Juan - Christian could always give the knife a drop point like on the Original drawing by Tom Brow.
The point of the knife needs to be more in centre. That would make it better when stabbing and throwing.
Christian could furthermore take the handle scales off and drill some holes in the handle to make the handle lighter. That would make the knife easier to throw.
Handle could further more be wrapped in Para cork like the Jensen Knife in the picture that would make the handle even lighter.



Handle on the Jensen elite





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Juan and Andre' - The longer version is very interesting. I would offer that for a Boar hunt sharping the top of the blade(removing the saw serations) may offer great advantage.

I use my Puma white hunter on Boar. One would think that the blade design would be a poor choose but it works very well.


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I suspect that Ka-bar borrowed some aspects of the design for their new Warthog, which comes in both military and hunter types......

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The Ka Bar is a good knife but if you want to spend some more money on a knife with that style blade let me draw your attention to the Chris reeves Skinner or Obejane as it is also called.

http://www.chrisreeve.com/skinner.htm

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http://arms.en.ec21.com/6/CA00140127/Mean_guy_rambo_-_6...hes_blank_blade.html

It doesn't take long for a good design to get knocked off. Roll Eyes


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eyedoc his son and brother killed 4 boars with knife and bow ,marcos is proving the tom mark design eyedoc used drop points ,that i designed as multiporpouse knives we will post photos im with eyedoc now.juan


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Jaun - Tell Eyedoc I said Congratulations!! beer


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we were in the middle of a swamp area in corrientes ,very difficult area reached after kms of riding horses canoes and 4x4s .juan


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This is a picture of my new tracker.


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eyedoc look tom brown uses the reverse grip you used to kill the boars i prefer the reverse grip too but to a client i always recommend the forward grip.i sued to be a martial arts instructor and i believe that hunting a hog with knife its a good test to kife figthers not of course ,imprescindible ,but a good manner to perform cuts ,thats why i asked mike ,doug and todd to perform different techniques .andre flor performed wonderful cuts ,so wildpork who will return soon to kill more animals with knives and then to hunt ducks and partrige.juan


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the only think i want in my custom tracker is most drop point .marcos .aka perverted


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Juan

The original drawing has a drop point.
No knife maker has made the original knife yet.
Christian can make a model that is in oaacodance with the drawing.
Knife must have drop point and the cutting blade must be in an angel.




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WE HAVE BEEN TESTING THE NIFE AND I THINK THE ORIGINAL IS BETTER I DONT UNDRESTAND WHY NOBODY MAKES IT ILL ASK CRISTIAN


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IN A FEW WEEKS WE WILL BE HUNTING WITH STEVE AKA WILDPORK TESTING A COLD STEEL SPEAR,A KABAR WARTHOG AND A CHEAP COLD STEEL KUKRI.JUAN


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Andre' - I would think the saw teeth should be removed and that edge sharpened. Thus making the drop point a spear point. This would allow cutting on the up OR down stroke depending were one puts the knife into the boar.


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Boss (sounds good doesn't it) Big Grin

You must take into consideration the Tracker must be able to perform many tasks and the saw teeth is needed for some jobs.

If the Tracker should be modified for hunting only the saw teeth is not needed.
Personally I do not like a sharp upper edge unless we are talking about a dagger.

I am thinking about modifying a TOPS tracker. Giving it a drop point and other features. This project will take time.

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there isnt a saw they are cuts made as wire cutter ,drop poit is the only modification i would make but not in a new tops ,ill make another custom,the tops its too wonderful to be modificated.juan


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A KA BAR WARTHOG IS COMING WHAT YOU DO THINK ANDRE


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Juan jæger

The Ka-Bar worthhog is a fine skinner and all purpose camp knife buto too small for big boars and hogs IMO.

Look Juan what I found ! Atracker By Roger Linger that are true to the design. Maybe a bit too much drop point IMO.



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i think the wide edge will make a good injure do you know how many inches it has.i think its a very good combat knife too ,ill test it the rest of the season .ill test a cold steel spear,a kukri ,and an ontario smatchet ill be a long time in the bush so i ll have plenty of time to test all the blades ,currently im using my recon cold steel ,a sog folder and sometimes the master hunter .juan


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One change that needs to be made to add strength to the base of the blade is a radius. Might be a wee bit harder to grind but would be well worth it.



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"Tom Brown is teaching Delta Forces and Navy Seals Ninja-type skill – “to move so that an adversary doesn’t even know you are there.†When he “found that they were also becoming much better killers,†a moral dilemma developed for Brown, and he stopped teaching the military. “But after 9/11, I went back,†said Brown."
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I read that long article about Brown, and the above sounded strangely enough to me that I called a couple of good friends of mine, one who was a career Army Ranger/Special Forces who served three tours in Vietnam, and another who was seven years as a U.S. Navy SEAL, two tours in Vietnam. (Those S.F./SEAL operators seemed to have managed to do some heavy duty "killin'" without ol' Tom's schooling, oddly enough.)

Anyway, both later called me back and said they had done some "checking around," and they'd not heard of Tom Brown teaching the special operators "how to kill more efficiently," etc.

Can anyone provide any real documentation that Brown has trained all those SEALs & Special Forces operators how to "be a better killer" than their own S.F. and SEAL operator/instructors ?????????

Any current or retired SEAL or S.F. operators here who might know if Brown is doing what he claimed to do??

BTW, I thought "The Hunted," was an absolute P.O.S.

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the hunted its only a movie but as a long time martial artist with black belt degees i can said that the knife figthing and jujitsu techniques are real eve more i saw very few movies with good knife figthing techniques .i know persons who know brown and they said is a goog trackiing teacher.i BELIEVE SCOTT-DONELAN IS THE BEST TACTICAL TRACING IN USA TODAY HES THE AUTHOR OF TACTICAL TRACKING HES AN EX RHODESIAN SAS AND SELOUS SCOUT.JUAN


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I read somewhere trhat Duane Dieter tesaches CQB to the seals.
There are many seals teams both east and west coast.

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THERE ARE 6 SEAL TEAMS ,THE 6 IS SPECIFICALLY ANTITERRORIST,AND A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERCONTRACT TRAINED THEM ,TOM BORWN TRAINED THEM IN TRACKING AND SOME SURVIVAL TECHNUQUES UNDER CONTRACT INDEED HE TRAINED PERSONELL OF THE EAST COST TEAM.JUAN


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I know that these men trained SEAL teams:

Richard Marcinko
Over his thirty-year naval career, Richard Marcinko worked his way from enlisted man to the rank of captain. During his early years, Marcinko joined the UDTs (Underwater Demolition Teams), and served as a Navy SEAL during the war in Vietnam. While serving 2 tours in Vietnam, Marcinko won the Silver Star, four bronze stars with combat V, two Navy Commendation Medals, and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry with Silver Star. Marcinko's SEAL platoon became such an enemy killing force, that the Viet Cong posted a reward of 50,000 piasters for his death.
Besides serving as a Naval Attaché to Cambodia and later as Commanding Officer of SEAL Team Two, Marcinko was the founder and first Commanding Officer of two of the military's premier counter-terrorist units: SEAL Team Six and Red Cell. SEAL Team Six engaged in highly classified counter terrorist missions in Africa, Central America, the Middle East, the North Sea, and beyond.

While commanding RED CELL, Marcinko used his teams' expertise as Navy SEALs to test the Navy's anti-terrorist capabilities. The result: RED CELL infiltrated supposedly impenetrable US military bases, weapons storage areas, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, and other "secure areas". As Red Cell penetrated bases and took hostages, Marcinko's unit ran roughshod over would be defenders. Nothing was immune to Red Cell's "terrorist attacks", not even the President's jet, Air Force One.


Richard Marcinko is recognized as one of the nation's most accomplished special operations experts, with over 30 years experience in diplomacy, intelligence, counter-terrorism, and special operations. His SEAL Team experiences are recounted in his autobiography, Rogue Warrior and the subsequent Rogue Warrior fiction series, co-written with John Weisman. Published by Simon and Schuster, Marcinko's books have made the New York Times Best Seller list.

Today, Marcinko is CEO of a security consulting firm, SOS Temps Inc. He also heads Richard Marcinko Inc., a motivational training and team-building company. Through Eastern Michigan University Marcinko provides graduate level presentation on topics such as terrorism, security and the adaptation of Modern Technology. His company provides quarterly SWAT training for federal and law enforcement personnel nationwide. Marcinko frequently guests on live radio and appears on television where he provides expertise on matters of foreign policy, special operations and terrorism. Richard Marcinko is featured in the films “Red Cell The DVDâ€, “Advanced Hostage Rescue†and on “The Tides of SPECWARâ€.



BRIAN CURLE
Brian Curle served as a Petty Officer in UDT-12. UDT-13, and SEAL Team One. In the rank of QM3, Curle was qualified as a SEAL Team Operator. His primary duties in the Teams involved diving, parachuting, and the demolition of explosives during the conduct of unconventional warfare in counterinsurgency operations.



Curle graduated from BUD/S Class 40, a winter class under the legendary Proctor, Vince Olivera. Curle continued to Assault Boat Coxswain School, Airborne School (Gold Wings), SDV School, SERE School, and SEAL Team One Cadre. Curle was selected for the Apollo Space Capsule Recovery Team and helped in the successful recovery of the Apollo IV Space Capsule. Curle's Apollo IV adventure is recounted in the book, "SEALs, UDT, Frogmen: Men Under Pressure" written by SEAL teammate Darryl Young. Qualified as expert in both pistol and rifle, Curle logged two tours in Vietnam and received four personal commendation citations and two unit commendation citations. Curle was honorably discharged from SEAL Team One, Coronado California in 1970.



After his discharge from the Navy, Curle attended the University of Texas where he received a Bachelor of Science Degree in Radio, Television, and Film. After working in various fields in the film and television industry, from News anchor to cameraman and director, Curle created his own production company in 1985.

Based in Miami Florida, LOTI Group is a producer and distributor of nonfiction video programs. Curle's background sparked his interest in projects involving Special Operations Groups' missions and training. LOTI Group enjoys a unique relationship with Special Operations Groups and elite law enforcement agencies nationwide. LOTI Group film crews are routinely welcomed where all other cameras are forbidden. From military SPECWAR Commanding Officers, to SWAT Team leaders, and world class tactical training experts, LOTI Group's associate producer lists read like a who's who in the world of Special Operations.



Chris J Caracci
During his career as a Navy SEAL, Chris Caracci participated in a wide range of Special Warfare operations, including open and closed circuit SCUBA diving, High Altitude/Low Opening parachuting and the demolition of explosives during Naval Special Warfare Operations. Caracci specialized in overseas assignments fostering diplomatic relations as a member of the Military Advisory Group assigned to the Middle East and Far Eastern Theatres.



After serving as Ordnance Representative for his operationally active SEAL Platoon, Caracci was assigned as Ordnance Department Representative in SEAL Team One Training Cadre. There he was responsible for care and maintenance of platoon weapons, ordering munitions, and instruction of newly formed platoons. Caracci originated, prepared, presented, evaluated, and administered all subject matter for basic platoon training classes in the area of weapons characteristics and handling. Caracci also assisted and advised training classes for demolitions and hand to hand combat. Other responsibilities included Field Supervision for live fire evolutions (night and day) and the evaluation of all such instruction including final training exercises.



Caracci was screened and selected from the top 1% of the Naval Special Warfare Community to serve as a member of the Navy's only active command tasked with an ongoing anti-terrorist mission, SEAL Team Six. Here he received extremely advanced special warfare training such as Advanced Technical Rock and Building Climbing, Combat and Emergency Medicine, Close Quarters Battle/Urban Warfare, Anti-Terrorist Defensive Driving, Improvised Explosive Devices, and others. All duties performed in SEAL Team Six were in support of highly classified and sensitive missions.



Caracci's SEAL training gave him extensive experience in anti-terrorism, counter terrorist, hostage barricade techniques, close quarter battle, and urban contingency operations. These skills are currently being put to use in his career as a Tactical Training Expert working with elite Law Enforcement and military Special Operations units worldwide. Caracci has appeared in a number of LOTI Group tactical training films and is the Creator of the Navy SEAL Workout Series.

Chuck Habermehl is a former US Marine and decorated Vietnam veteran, where he served with the Air and Naval Gunfire Liaison Company, assigned to an Army Advisory Team. While in the Marines, besides his fields duties, Habermehl held positions of Rifle Range Instructor, Tactics and Fitness Instructor, and managed a Marine Corps gym facility. In addition, he was meritoriously promoted three times, was a recipient of the "Marine of the Quarter Award", and was runner up for the prestigious "Marine of the Year Award".


CHUCK HABERMEHL
Habermehl is now the owner and chief instructor of CQB, Inc. He has almost 30 years as an instructor in close quarters battle, and is internationally recognized and respected. He is considered by many to be the best in the world in CQB instruction. In his capacity as spec ops training instructor, Habermehl is proud to be associated with some of the finest units in the world. He has taught CQB and hand to hand tactics to members of Navy SEALs, Green Berets, US Air Force, US Marines, ATF, DEA, US Marshals, US Customs, and countless other American and Foreign Special Operators.

Following his service as a Marine, Habermehl entered the world of Law Enforcement. His law enforcement career spans 18 years, achieving the rank of Assistant Chief of an active urban jurisdiction, managing all police operations, including Narcotics, K-9, Patrol, SWAT, Aviation, Investigations, and Training. As a SWAT commander, Habermehl oversaw the successful resolution of over 400 high risk situations. His team may be the only American police unit to have participated in several successful missions outside the United States. His annual SWAT school attracted people from all over the world. His narcotics unit was involved with protracted investigations leading to the seizures of millions of dollars and thousands of pounds of illegal substances throughout the US, South America, and the Caribbean.

Habermehl has appeared in a number of LOTI Group films and regularly acts as both a technical advisor and associate producer for the Train Hard Fight Easy Series. Although targeted for law enforcement, military & security personnel, the crossover success of many the films has proven you don't have to be a cop to benefit from the life saving information in this series.


Duane Dieter


Duane P. Dieter - Official Trainer to the U.S. Navy SEALs
This is his site
http://www.cqd.net/



While reviewing M.O.D. knives for the last issue, I came across the name Duane Dieter on several knife models that M.O.D. produces. I told Jim Ray that I wanted to review the Mark I (a Duane Dieter model) and asked him about Duane's background. He told me that Duane taught the Navy SEALs, and that sparked my interest.

Through my inquiry, I obtained some information/brochures that briefly describe CQD®. CQD® (Close Quarters Defense®) provides the specialized skills and training necessary to respond appropriately to both shooting and non-shooting situations and was established by Duane to provide realistic, effective instruction for police, military, security professionals and qualified civilians. His primary goal is to ensure operational readiness and skill sustainment, which is achieved through training in the six divisions of CQD, they are as follows: Direct Defense Skills, Weapon and Zone Control, Prisoner Control, CQD Shooting, Operational Physical Training, and Internal Warrior.

The commentary below explores the multi-faceted layers of CQD, examines its distinct and effective tactical training skills, and discusses how these skills integrate in the training of U.S. Navy SEALs so the ability to be "Full Circle Readyâ„¢" in operations is achieved. The article we are about to present, "To Fight Is To Risk Death," is from the April 2003 issue of S.W.A.T. magazine; with S.W.A.T.'s permission, we present the article.



TO FIGHT IS TO RISK DEATH
Training SEALs to Be Complete Warriors
By Bob Pilgrim
Close Quarters Defense®
Even from the relative safety of my "strap hanger's" position in the contested hallway, I can detect the shallow breathing and rivulets of sweat soaking their Nomex battle dress as two tense Navy SEALs prepare to enter their assigned room and capture a high value enemy leader. Utter silence prevails as they coil their bodies while they await the signal to launch the assault. They hope to accomplish the mission with complete surprise and by employing their newly acquired Close Quarters Defense® (CQD®) skills rather than having to resort to the use of their firepower. As part of a small, highly trained and conditioned raiding force that packs dual lethal and non-lethal punches far beyond their diminutive size, they fully appreciate combat's stark truism that to fight is to risk death.

The eagerly awaited signal is silently received through their headsets; doors splinter and pandemonium reigns as a half dozen other teams carry out their orders. However, surprise is rarely complete and now speed dominates the contact's equation as commands to "get down on the floor" are interrupted by bursts of surgically directed semi-automatic fire from M-4 carbines and Sig 9mm pistols. Cautiously, I enter the nearest room after announcing, "coming in," to avoid the fate of those who gambled and lost. The scene before me typically reflected the controlled aggression and Full Circle of Defenseâ„¢ skills and theories that the platoon had acquired during their initial instruction in CQD. The bodyguard was fast, but the SEAL was faster, as the former's training-round-stitched body attested. On the floor was his literally stunned leader, with one of the raiders heavily draped across his back applying a neck seal in preparation for flex cuffing, search, and extraction. What I witnessed in the Naval base's CQD Tac-Houseâ„¢ (realistic scenarios presented to test the operator and validate his skill) was CQD in action.

Officially approved and adopted by the Navy in 1996, the CQD fighting system represents the culmination of a quest for a realistic hand-to-hand combat technique that was initiated shortly after World War II. The SEALs relentlessly searched for a fighting system that could provide operators with a spectrum of tactical responses, including non-lethal methods of control. After an eclectic study of and participation in a myriad of martial and fighting arts, it was determined that none of them were able to endure full contact, high speed, no holds barred aggression, particularly while in full battle dress.

Since 1990, CQD's creator, Mr. Duane Dieter, who is headquartered in Easton, Maryland, had been instructing the Navy's elite on an extremely low profile basis. As more SEALs became exposed to CQD, they quickly realized that it offered a multiplicity of very powerful new techniques and training concepts. However, the most unique aspect of this new system is that it combined armed with unarmed combat and, most interestingly, character development into a single, stand-alone system. The Development of CQD®

As Duane delved deeper into his martial studies, numerous contradictions occurred. Although he appreciated the skills he learned, he realized that many of these movements were more relevant to sport and choreographed competitions than to the high-risk fight initiated by a motivated adversary. Because of these contradictions, as well as several key events that occurred at that time, Duane founded a system that was based on high-risk engagement, with a just purpose. Each skill within the system was validated under the pressure of a motivated adversary. This system, CQD, is a totally integrated system for armed and unarmed defense utilizing shooting and non-shooting responses.

After refining his system for nine years, Duane was given the opportunity to test the validity of CQD in field operations. In 1989 he was recruited by the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) as a member of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force to fight the incursion of drugs into the Eastern Shore of Maryland. He was chosen for his tactical expertise as well as his knowledge of and stature in the community. During this time, he served on the DEA "Quick Response Team" as well as local SWAT and arrest teams. His primary responsibilities were raids, room entry, and apprehension of drug dealers. This provided him with field operational experience in the utilization of his CQD System.

Basic CQD®
Level I (L-I) CQD is taken by military, law enforcement and other government agencies, as well as individuals. Rank, particularly in the close-knit SEAL units, hath no privileges, and everyone gets thumped regardless of his position on a team and no one holds back. Every time a SEAL performs, whether it is operationally or in training, he is being evaluated by not only his leaders, but by his peers as well. Motivation, therefore, is unparalleled and although SEALs can be the most satisfying group of young men to teach and associate with, their expectations are exceptionally high. So, you had better have your act together, or you won't last any longer than it takes a shark to strike its prey. This attitude alone is mute testimony to CQD's success and its continued acceptance by the Navy as being the combat training of choice. Initially, CQD training was introduced in First, Second, and Third Phase at Basic Underwater Demolition School (BUD/S) and is now offered in a one-week format for SEAL Qualification Training (SQT), followed by another week for SEAL Operational Platoons.

Complete Weapons Integration
In the L-I course, with the exception of Simunitions use there is no live fire firearms training. Unique live fire training and drills are, however, included in more advanced CQD courses that have been taken by other classified SEAL groups. However, long and short guns are completely integrated into this basic curriculum and students are taught how to carry, retain, cover, handle and strike with them from various positions to stun and disable opponents prior to controlling them. Having been exposed to Dieter's CQD shooting techniques, let me just say that they are quite unlike anything most police and military personnel receive or experience during their careers. They are not fancy, nor are they derived from popular competitive shooting, or other shooting disciplines, but they are brutally effective and teach the SEAL to fully exploit both the "hot" and "cold" attributes of his weaponry.

A Complete Fighting System
Orientation to the course, its purpose, goals, and objectives and the development of the proper CQD mindset is instilled in the student at the outset. The instructors are handpicked veteran team members who have really been there and have really done that. If the new students haven't figured it out by now, they are reminded by Dieter's foundational training principle that "the truth of combat is - to fight is to risk death." This stark truism is kept foremost in the men's minds while undergoing these drills, and their innate will to survive and dominate anything that life or the enemy throws at them, provides supreme motivation to train, train, and train.

CQD thoroughly embraces this cold concept and attempts to realistically simulate the risk of injury or death in the exercises. Since there are extreme risks attendant to all aspects of combat, CQD training must address them and does. All CQD techniques are "proven." To do less, as some training does, would be a disservice to the SEAL, the Navy and ultimately, the country. Surprisingly, however, injuries are few and most of them are what SEALs would consider minor and not mission defeating. They are by nature stoics and simply shrug off bangs, dings, scrapes, cuts, slams, and bruises that would debilitate the average person.

Central to the system are weapon flows, hand positioning, and the Spring Stance. The Spring Stance, as its name implies, is very flexible. It provides a stable shooting platform, protects the lower body, and, above all, permits explosive reflex movements that support the CQD theory of "Attack the Attackerâ„¢", while exploiting every opportunity to win.

Full Circle Of Defenseâ„¢
Although L-I and higher-level physical and mental skills are taught incrementally, in an elemental fashion, they are completely integrated into the six divisions of the "Full Circle of Defenseâ„¢." These skills, when fused to the warrior spirit and mindset, create the greatest human fighting capabilities. At the center of the "Circle" is the operator and he is closely surrounded by the six principles of CQD that he must be able to selectively or collectively call upon to dominate any combat situation. All are equal in importance and serve to integrate, and mutually support each other. They are, "Direct Defense Skills, Weapon and Zone Control, Prisoner Control, CQD Shooting, Operational Physical Training, and Internal Warrior."

Specialized training concepts such as, "First Level of Defense, Weapons System, Tactics, Elements of Combat, and Engagement" follow this layer. The next area of training encompasses "Operational Readiness" and is augmented by the "Accountability/Sustainment Service." This consortium of defensive and offensive subject matter represents the massive amount of knowledge and skills that are passed on to the SEALs during this intensive five-day training cycle. Measured Use Of Force

The SEALs are taught that philosophically, in CQD fighting, you do whatever it takes to win absolutely - to acquire every possible advantage to defeat your adversary. However, only the amount of energy and force necessary is expended and the practitioners never blatantly display power or employ actions that do not produce true, meaningful benefits. This method of fighting minimizes risk without jeopardizing the integrity and success of the engagement. Anytime force is used there will be repercussions and CQD employs only what is required to accomplish defensive goals. This reflexive, but measured response can be initiated either overtly or covertly depending on which method dictates the best chance for success.

CQD® Principles
The foundation of all levels of CQD training is "Direct Defense Skills" (DDS), which is the keystone, the first among equals of the five other principles in the Full Circle of Defenseâ„¢. Operators are taught the most direct and effective methods of achieving their mission goals, whether in combat, or in life. It is literally the "art of efficiency". These skills create the knowledge, confidence and mental attitude, which enable the operator to respond to any situation with appropriate force. This may require the application of highly disciplined, rather than all out, force. However, this tailored response will still enable them to overcome even the most aggressive of assailants. Training here concentrates on the isolation and development of foundational skills, enhancing appropriate mind-body reflexes and the elimination of those that are deemed counter-productive. This specialized process develops the "Protective Reflex" which creates both offensive and defensive capabilities. Controlling all personal body weapons and their direct utilization against close quarters threats, coupled with greater degrees of efficiency is emphasized. L-I DDS develops the foundational unarmed skills that serve as the framework for subsequent armed skills. Focus initially is on the individual, on the operator himself, and the goal is to develop his primary fighting components of defense - "mind, body, and spirit." This approach creates a mindset for immediate situational threat evaluation followed by appropriate actions that employ the most efficient means/methods to succeed.

Control Of Immediate Environment
In Weapon and Zone Control, operators learn to retain and appreciate the inherent protective values of their weapons system. From threat detection, through weapons retention measures, to activation of shooting skills, the SEAL is trained to carry out his assigned responsibilities and control his zone of combat. Dynamic movement to gain tactical advantages is aligned with techniques to place prisoners in positions of maximum control to lead the SEAL to the third CQD principle of Prisoner Control.

Abducting The Enemy
The ability to pluck enemy personnel from the battlefield for pro-active intelligence purposes has been a SEAL specialty developed by the teams during the war in SE Asia. The "men with green faces" not only absconded with key Viet Cong infrastructure personnel, but frequently were able to do so, with his brethren snoring away in the next bunk situated within an enemy village hooch. These and other snatch operations are legendary and Dieter, through his CQD program has developed the art of prisoner capture and restraint to an even higher level of sophistication. In this block of instruction, operators are brought to fully respect their adversary's capabilities and appreciate the high level of skill that must be administered to maintain control over a prisoner without causing irreversible damage to this potential asset. The safe and effective control of compliant and non-compliant combatants through the "approach, contact, control, movement, extraction, and transfer phases" is individually and collectively drilled. Operators develop the confidence to use their skills, whether standing, fighting on the ground, or in vehicles or confined spaces, while still retaining the last resort option of their weapons system.

Weapons Handling
In L-I CQD, operators are schooled in the "low, middle and high power point" ready gun positions, as well as "extended on line and off line" cover or support stances. These as well as esoteric sounding "wing guard" and "fire hand" security positions are practiced while static and on the move. They, and numerous other skills, allow the operator to respond instantly with deadly force at both close and extended ranges, or to use his weapons to "intimidate, destabilize, stun, immobilize, injure (non-vital or vital) or incapacitate." Like the police officer, the SEAL now has a spectrum of responses to choose from in order to comply with the mission profile or fit the evolving situation. The SEALs are reminded that not just accuracy, but surgical shooting may be necessary at any distance and under extreme conditions. "Observation, threat assessment and evaluation of the situation" must precede activation of their weapons.

CQD Physical Conditioning
The public is justifiably confident that the SEALs are in superb physical condition. However, to enable them to execute the skills attributed to CQD properly and forcefully, a good deal of Operational Physical Trainingâ„¢ (OPTâ„¢) must be conducted. OPT is designed to accomplish a multiplicity of physical goals. Physical capabilities are enhanced to prevent injuries, to both isolate and coordinate CQD's unique skills and to gain total body control. OPT also incorporates mental and physical levels of training and encourages the development of physical prowess. Internal Warriorâ„¢ Training

In the softer sectors of society the term "warrior" often engenders negative connotations. However, today's SEAL is a blend of the traditional and historical American man of war and a more modern warrior, that not only maintains the best fighting attributes of his forbearers, but at the same time can readily adapt to the military requirements of a changing world. Although Internal Warrior training is the last CQD principle discussed in this article, its theme constantly permeates every facet of the program.

Dieter impresses upon these young men that the greater their purpose, the greater their fighting potential will be. He requires that their commitment to the fight "goes far beyond their personal defense and should be predicated on the purpose of defending and protecting their country and its citizens."

True warriors want to engage in justified battles and this desire to fight for what is right is not confined only to the combat zone, but also extends into everyday life. CQD is also about developing good character. The SEALs who attend this training are encouraged to do what is right in life's daily struggles in the belief that this personal example and behavior fosters the same strengths required by combat. Embracing the philosophy of "if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger," similarly, disappointments and setbacks experienced by these SEALs serve to augment their personal growth, perseverance and desire to be the best at who they are and what they do. All things being equal, the difference between a good warrior and a superior one is possessing a positive attitude that enables one to believe in himself and ensures the ability to continue to achieve under the conditions of life's most intense struggles. This attitude also assists in knowing and assessing himself, his strengths, weaknesses and how to evolve beyond them.

Mutual Support = Mutual Success
Teammates support and pull together for each other. Although down time is rare, I observed individual SEALs with their swim/dive buddy critiquing their performance and chastising themselves internally if it wasn't up to standard. Negativism and self doubt is not permitted to persist and SEALs encourage each other to always think in positive terms and of overcoming any obstacle. They learn that this internal skill is the true edge in combat. Mission success relies on the team, but the team relies on the mindset of the Internal Warrior and resulting strong individual performances by each operator. The most dynamic effect of Internal Warrior training gives the operator the strength to fight through the high anxiety of battle, to stop the threat.

In CQD training, students are held accountable for their actions and the influence they have on others. Conversely, they are cautioned not to allow negative personalities to affect their strength and determination or undermine the spirit of a fighting unit. They are taught that negativity is tantamount to weakness and it must never be given a chance to rule. In this 40-hour block of instruction the SEALs are admonished to appreciate all those who have been instrumental in their development and to encourage teammates to do well, because the success of others is also their success. The greatest level of appreciation for their fellow warriors is developed during the heat of battle; closest possible bonds are created and any barriers that may have existed crumble in the face of mutual danger.

Tactical Infractions
Individuals are cautioned that their reasons for activating CQD skills must be clear. To enter a conflict with an improper attitude and initiate a fight gratuitously, without a justifiable purpose, is considered a "tactical infraction" and cannot be condoned. The simple goal of Internal Warriorâ„¢ training is that when a person employs his CQD skills against an adversary he should never regret having done so. Dieter and his veteran instructors often surprise their students by telling them that true warriors are also kind, compassionate, and dedicated to helping others. This gentler aspect of the warrior will however, never diminish his ability to be the most aggressive in battle.

The Complete Warrior
The ultimate objective of this fighting system, as the reader may have gathered by now, is to develop the complete warrior - one who succeeds in life as well as in battle. This noble concept goes far beyond the training I received as an infantry Marine, which was simply to find and fix the enemy, destroy him and his will to fight. There is certainly plenty of room for that strategy today, but like it or not, the military, particularly special warfare entities like the SEALs, are, and will be, employed in perhaps non-traditional missions, which will require a stiletto and not the broad sword.

High Praise
On October 6, 1999, a change of command ceremony was held at the SEAL base in Coronado, California. Rear Admiral Eric Olson praised Captain Joe Maguire, the outgoing Commanding Officer of Naval Special Warfare Center for his leadership and many accomplishments, including the establishment of the CQD program. Captain Maguire in his remarks, "regretted that he did not have CQD training available to him when he was a younger SEAL" and said it would have "made a tremendous difference in his preparations for, and resulting confidence to engage in, combat." For the past twelve years CQD has succeeded on its merit and has provided NSW with unique fighting capabilities.

Are You Ready?
For those of you reading this article and who possess tremendous pride in yourselves, relish difficult challenges, have good will, are persistent, physically and mentally strong and above all love and want to serve your country, consider joining the U.S. Navy and becoming the best this nation has, a U.S. Navy SEAL. For more information, visit their recruiting web site at: www.sealchallenge.navy.mil.
Parallel to Dieter's military training are personal and operational "readiness" courses, as well as instructor courses that he developed specifically for all levels of law enforcement and security professionals. For information, contact CQD at (410) 822-0451 or cqd@goeaston.net

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in my hunting company we are testing and re testing a lot of knives particularly a local made tom brown and o prefer a drop point and the different angle of the original model.juan


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Some information about Tom Brown and the movie...

William Friedkin, the film’s director, was inspired to make the movie after befriending Tom Brown, Jr., a wilderness tracker and survivalist who trained Delta Force and Navy Seal forces. He taught real world, Ninja-type expertise on how to use the environment, camouflage, and make way through enemy territory invisibly and without a sound, like a shadow, to be aware of danger and how to avoid it. The knife featured in the film was Brown’s too, especially developed by him for wilderness survival and now produced by a major knife manufacturer.

Friedkin says, “I was fascinated with the nature of the man (Brown) who has these skills – he’s able to survive and kill – but he’s never really used those skills in combat.â€

Then Friedkin read a script by David and Peter Griffiths about a Delta Force style assassin who became a serial killer. A film script was then developed. Tom Brown was recruited to train the actors. Knife specialists and Navy Seal trainers Thomas Kier and Rafael Kayanan also worked as advisors to the film. Mark Stefanch, of Navy Seal Team 6, taught Jones and Del Toro other aspects of military combat.

Tom Brown is a tracker and can kill to survive, but has never used those skills in combat.

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Thanks for posting this information thumb
This thread is a wealth of information.

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thanks for the info trouthunter please put some photos of the trainers if you come.Do you want to test your knives COME AND KILL SOME WILD BOARS LIKE ANDRE.JUAN


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jaeger we are waiting you articles,a new member of los dogos, afrikaner,is testing new argentine combat knives with me we will prepare a new knife special for boar hunters. Andre you are the best on knives so post new articles.juan


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I have a post that is almost good to go...!
About a fighting knife that could also be used for hunting. 9" and a grip to die for.

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here we read your post with more interest than Greg Walker articles you are a diver,navy trained,hunter,knifehunter,and martial artist so your point is very very repected im wainting for your articles.juan


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