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I've been studying some on reining. The more I learn about just how much potential the man/horse combination has, the more I am amazed.

From Dressage, to Jumpers, to Reining, to Cutting is there no limit to just how far humans can take horses?? Or horses take humans??

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Reining is pretty tough on horses. Spins (going no where's fast)will work on hocks. Its all show horse. 40' slides don't have much place in the pasture. Its amazing what a horse can do naturally. Gimmicks, man made actions not so much.


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My hospital and myself personally take care of some of the best Reining Horses in the world and have for 20 years.

As an equine orthopedic surgery specialist...I can tell you that reining, if trained properly, is no “harder” on horses than any other athletic use including ranch work.

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How many broke down 2yr olds never make it to be properly trained ? You don't see many smooth mouth reining horses except for retired studs and brood mares. I see lots of older ranch horses, don't see many older show horses.....


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My hospital and myself personally take care of some of the best Reining Horses in the world and have for 20 years.

As an equine orthopedic surgery specialist...I can tell you that reining, if trained properly, is no “harder” on horses than any other athletic use including ranch work.

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Reining is pretty tough on horses. Spins (going no where's fast)will work on hocks. Its all show horse. 40' slides don't have much place in the pasture. Its amazing what a horse can do naturally. Gimmicks, man made actions not so much.


BS! A horse working cattle needs to turn on their hocks.


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Sure they do. Need to stop with their hocks up under themselves as well......


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don't see many older show horses.....


Are you speaking just of reining horses or of show horses in general?


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don't see many older show horses.....


Are you speaking just of reining horses are of show horses?


He ain’t looking in the right places.


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Reining horses...... That's what the subject is about.... Let me make it clear as to what I mean. If you go in to a "Reining" horse trainers barn and do a soundness exam on their show string, and then go to a Ranch and do the same exam on an equal amount of their saddle horses. Which will you find to have the most "issues" ?
jwp475 I do look in the right places... All most every day.


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Lemarr28,
Your posts bring to mind a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, you simply do not know what your talking about..sorry but that's just an obvious fact.

Ive trained horses for years, mostly roping horses and the reining is a must for almost all diciplines in horse training, its basic 101, when completed a horse can move on to about any discipline such as cutting or roping or whatever. My last 3 or 4 rope horses lasted into their 20s, as have over half the rope horses at the National finals, both team roping, doging, and calf roping, they all went thru the reining exercise to start with and could still spin on a dime at 20..if any damage comes from most discipline its not from being trained, its from years of use, same for the roper btw and I can attest to that..and mostly on the front legs not the hocks, albeit in old age one may have to manage the hocks, but more likely from hard stops, not spins. Heel horses will need injections, Head horse on the front legs..the roper in both shoulders and elbows, in the back and both legs..


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Ray.... A broke horse needs a good rein on him. A good stop and a good turn around. If you really think that the modern reining horse that slides for ever, spins till they stagger , wrings his tail every step is in the same category as your rope horse........ I didn't realize you were a trainer. Thought you were a Border patrol man / gun builder.


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Reining horses...... That's what the subject is about.... Let me make it clear as to what I mean. If you go in to a "Reining" horse trainers barn and do a soundness exam on their show string, and then go to a Ranch and do the same exam on an equal amount of their saddle horses. Which will you find to have the most "issues" ?
jwp475 I do look in the right places... All most every day.


Ranch horse do not have the market corned on soundness. Lane stated very plainly that reining horse properly trained don’t have soundness issues and he is an equine vet with at least 20 years experience.

I raise quarter horse and soundness more often than not is improper training pure and simply. By improper I mean pushing a young horse too fast.


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Reining horses...... That's what the subject is about.... Let me make it clear as to what I mean. If you go in to a "Reining" horse trainers barn and do a soundness exam on their show string, and then go to a Ranch and do the same exam on an equal amount of their saddle horses. Which will you find to have the most "issues" ?
jwp475 I do look in the right places... All most every day.


Well...for about the last 20 years...all I do every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday is about an average of 10 soundness exams per each of those days on western performance horses which include ranch horses (my whole family are ranchers as well).

I can produce statistics showing that they are about the same.


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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Reining horses...... That's what the subject is about.... Let me make it clear as to what I mean. If you go in to a "Reining" horse trainers barn and do a soundness exam on their show string, and then go to a Ranch and do the same exam on an equal amount of their saddle horses. Which will you find to have the most "issues" ?
jwp475 I do look in the right places... All most every day.


Well...for about the last 20 years...all I do every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday is about an average of 10 soundness exams per each of those days on western performance horses which include ranch horses (my whole family are ranchers as well).

I can produce statistics showing that they are about the same.


Any real horseman knows they are all about the same.

Thanks for your expert obeservation.


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I have heard other horse people soundly criticize "reining", but none of them have ever trained or worked with reining horses before.

As stated, training (and conditioning) and using horses with the correct conformation, seems to be the key to having sound, happy horses, regardless of how they are used.

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I have heard other horse people soundly criticize "reining", but none of them have ever trained or worked with reining horses before.

As stated, training (and conditioning) and using horses with the correct conformation, seems to be the key to having sound, happy horses, regardless of how they are used.

BH63


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Your right I retired from DEA and Ive built guns as a hobby, but Im ranch raised in the Big Bend counry of texas and ranched there for a number of years off an on and had a ranch the whole time I was in DEA and the El Paso sheriffs dept, I worked for EP Epenauer, Marfa texas after school and he owned 3 world champion cutting horses, and on and ON.. I rodeod amateur and pro right out of high school, rode roughstock and calf roped..I have trained my family horses, and trained for others, I started at about 10 years old like any other ranch kid. Im proud to say my grandson, granddaughter and daughter won all won state championships and went to Nationals... Today. at 83 I live in filer Idaho, and Im a rabid team roper, my kids, wife and grandkids all team rope and calf rope and Im still training a few horses, mostly mine..

I see a bit of what your saying in that it used to be that way in most diciplines, but its from days gone by and training today is different and today reining has degrees of making a horse into what you want...Ive seen many raining horse go to the roping pen, cutting, team penning and many other diciplines because they had that proper background..I don't care for a horse that breaks at the pole as most raining horse people do as do cutting horse people and the sliding stop is good training, and for that it all works, but when you go to the roping pen that has to be changed and its an easy change because of the reining training, I can teach my horse with reining training to break at the shoulder, keep his head up a bit higher for roping, and figure he is a little better horse for that reining discipline he had...Its not as black and white as you describe and your thinking is faulty, but not by a hell of a lot, you just need to get with the program my friend, you been hanging with the wrong bunch of buckaroos. Wink


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I spent the morning at the Western National Stock Show watching reining horses compete.

Classy looking rides, some with a lope so slow you would think they were running on a treadmill.

Nice sliding stops, and pivots on the hind foot, that look like ballerinas.

A real joy to watch.

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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Ray:

Horses aside: As an old roper, how's YOUR knees and hips doing?

I've seen quite a few long time ropers that can barely walk by the time they're 60-65.

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Well George, Ive had several injections in both shoulders, and elbows, back operation, and in my heels, the knees hurt from time to time..Im 83 and that's to be expected, my horse is in about the same boat but we both love it..

I just bought myself another 19 year old horse, the old ones are the best by far, they know their job, and they are safe, you just have to manage them like you do yourself..

I can still break and train a colt however I sure would pick them with care. and I have to get past mama and my kids who know what's best for me! NOT! Roll Eyes


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