From what I've seen so far, the political situation created the demand, added over 6,000,000 new gun owners so they say, ammo plants are running 24/7 if they can because of covid. So much demand for ammo that things like primers are going to production instead, Rem hasn't helped that situation, couple of military contracts being filled outside of the main gov't ammo plants, also. One fella was saying some ranges are closing up as they can't get ammo for the rental guns and training sessions in order to operate. One ammo mfgr, not a main one, has 80,000,000.00 in backorders to fill, Vista said they had over 1,000,000,000.00 of orders on the board. Fella talking about the ranges also said Glock had shut down in the USA due to covid and supply issues, moved production back to somewhere else. Rem brealup and labour issues at the Rem gun plants taken over by the Roundhill group as well, some dirty dealing going on there. European mfgrs don't have the capacity to supply primers to quell the surge of sales in the US, can't import Russian due to embargos, Hodgdon has had issue with new Int'l shipping regs as to getting powder to the US from overseas suppliers.
Sounds like a bunch of stuff combined causing all sorts of issues.

Primers have been selling on GB for up to $1.00 each (yes this is waning)
Still- A far cry from 2-3 cents

It becomes a conspircy when a shortage raises prices from $18 to $20 to $30 to ??? when the demand goes over the top..We have then been manipulated by the dirty bean counters!

I have seen critical defence 9mm for $60 for 20 rounds. And primers .75 each. In my area. And hell no I ain't buying , I have enough for now.
No warning shots will be fired here do to expense of ammo.

My store has been getting ammo/ reloading supplies pretty regular, its just snatched up in literal minutes. I watched 10k rounds of 9mm vanish in 30 minutes, and that's with a 5 box per person restriction.

Ray I'll keep an eye out for 30-30 ammo or bullets for you. Watch your PM's

After all these shortages I have noticed here, and on another shooters forum some items which might explain the shortages. these might be part of the problem....
....Remington bankruptcy..... didnt know it shut down production until i read it here.

.... The forest fires/ covid troubles in Australia has reduced production of Hodgdon powders and shipping.

----Some of the IMR powders are apparently produced at Valleyfield, Canada...Covid trouble/border crossing issues

....Major cartridge manufacturers get first dibs on the limited powder supply... military contracts get filled too

....and of course the hoaders.....

Am rationing my limited supply of powder n primers. Am told IMR 4320 is discontinued. damn
Would be buying a lot of this stuff and hoarding it,,, but i cant find what i need :-)

Hoping there is enough vaccine to go around.

Many years ago, the Dima-craps stated that there was no need to take all the guns, but to simply make ammo illegal to manufacture, or to own by anyone. Without ammo or components guns are simply something to decorate ones trophy room walls like all other antiques that are no longer made.
When that happens the USA will become a Nazi country just like Germany did under Hitler!

................................Free people will be a thing of the past once the second amendment is taken out of our constitution.
(second amendment to the bill of rights)
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep, and bare arms shall not be infringed)
..................... MacD37

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Without ammo or components guns are simply something to decorate ones trophy room walls like all other antiques that are no longer made

There is more than enough ammo in peoples hands for serious social work.

It is all the practice and fun shooting that burns up larges amounts of ammo.

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There is more than enough ammo in peoples hands for serious social work.

Yep.

People aren't going out and plinking/shooting like they were. It's being stockpiled.

My regret is I didn't stockpile primers before 2020. Bullets, powder and Brass are paperweights without a primer. Glad I have plenty of loaded ammo in each caliber (except 257 Roberts) to hold me over.

My friend hunted this whole season with his .22-250 and Winchester White box 45gr jhp for whitetail. Neck shots. He didn't want to burn his 28 Nosler, 257 Wby, 300 win mag or 7mm rem mag ammo if it doesn't become available as quick as we all hope.

I feel like this ammo crisis is different this time around. Sandy Hook (2012) was mainly .22 LR, .223, pistol calibers that people were wanting. You could still find regular stuff if you checked more than one place. You can hardly find anything you want right now...from varmints to the largest African cartridges. People are buying it up

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My regret is I didn't stockpile primers before 2020. Bullets, powder and Brass are paperweights without a primer

Not here yet but one can reload primers.

https://www.ammoland.com/2016/...icted-circumstances/

https://www.thetruthaboutguns....on-caps-and-primers/

No need to worry about supply.
Pretty soon, there won't be one...

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.

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Originally posted by Huvius:
No need to worry about supply.
Pretty soon, there won't be one...End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.

I used to buy ammo, components and equipment from paper catalogues... Remember Herter's?

Back to the future!

You guys haven't seen nothin yet; the hoarders and peppers and even shooters are buying up everything in sight. Because, whenever the dems/libs/socialists get full power of all 3 branches, only bad things happen to ligitimate gun owners like us. Never anything good. It is not bean counters.
Of course it will be labeled as good for everyone, and called "safety".
And now, today, even the libs are trying (if they can find an) to buy guns; they are afraid of the conservatives. Local gun shop told me that they are always angry that they have to pass a background check; they have been brainwashed about how easy it is to buy a pistol. Idiots.
Bend over.

Even in some of the worst counties a limited number of people could get some hunting guns and ammo.

Nothing even close to what we have here.

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they have been brainwashed about how easy it is to buy a pistol. Idiots.

But will owning a firearm change their support for gun control.

No. Gun control is one of the socialist ideals; it will make things safer for everyone. Especially banning semi autos; even though almost no one gets killed by them and rarely used in crime; it's a symbol and rallying cry for them.
You can still get hunting rifles here but no one wants those right now.

l am amazed...With a reported 6 million new gun owners...why hasn't NRA signed up another 6 million members?

I know some are pissed at NRA (La Pierre mostly) but...6M new members would give the demonazis pause.

It's all we got! I would urge dealers not to sell one primer without proof of a paid NRA membership

What other organizations should people join that will help fight for gun rights besides the NRA?

I'm already an NRA member..

Gun owners of America

2nd Amendment Foundation

Apparently all of Anchorage AK is out of 22lr.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Apparently all of Anchorage AK is out of 22lr.

How's the ammo stock in Dillingham

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
it was the same during Obama's late first and a good part of his second terms

I remember that and since then I have laid in a good supply of components for all my guns. We are not being disarmed. It is the lunatic fringe on the right stocking up for their perceived state of civil unrest and/or impending confiscation. Anyway you explain it it’s a pain in the ass!

It is the lunatic fringe on the right stocking up for their perceived state of civil unrest and/or impending confiscation.

It isn't just the "lunatic fringe on the right", when you have antigun people from the Democratic left buying whatever they can find, supplies are going to be short.

And don't forget that the Remington Arms ammo plant in Arkansas was down due to bankruptcy.

Now, look at the numbers of new gun owners being reported. If they only buy 2 boxes of ammo, that is millions of boxes in addition to the normal purchases whether the "lunatic right" or normal average everyday recreations shooters.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
It becomes a conspircy when a shortage raises prices from $18 to $20 to $30 to ??? when the demand goes over the top..We have then been manipulated by the dirty bean counters!

No, basic supply and demand.

Whether blue jeans or the latest fad burger or sandwich from whatever fast food place, market economics are the same. People like to argue various conspiracy theories but, the economic forces really aren't any different from any other "supply and demand' issue.

Does anyone remember Elmo for Christmas? What conspiracy theory was this?

After the time I have spent trying to fill a few holes on my self. I have come to the conclusion that without some luck, and stumbling onto components. What I have on hand and enroute will be it for the foreseeable future.

Cheers

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Apparently all of Anchorage AK is out of 22lr.

Scott, all of the USA,is out of .22lr!

Its one thing for me, or many of us to be low on ammo. I cannot imagine what that would be like in rural Alaska?

All the stuff I bought at academy on clearance over the years is coming in use. Everything is barebones and I think it will be tight for a while.

Only thing available and relatively cheap is 300 Norma mag. Buy than for $2.5 a round and 9mm and 5.56 for $1 a round. Time to shoot the Norma.

Crazy times.

Mike

Just a heads up on the NRA, they just went bank rupt and apparantly they been spending our hard earned funds for lavish living, guess that will all come to the forefront soon...Its a shame what greed can do to a man..

As to "us" defending ourselves with our 30-06s give some thought to those invisible planes the gov has that can be flown from Washington and wipe out a small town with one shot!! We get into a revolution, expect to loose love ones in your family, that kind of talk is nothing more than town talk, it won't solve anything, it must be an absolute last result..????????

Oh oh, here they come!!!!!

Went to Costco and stopped by academy which is located next door.

They had cci match 22lr ammo for $5 a box of 50. 10c a round.

Same ammo is bid $.22 A round on gunbroker.

Doubt it will stick around but I did buy. I have a ton of 22lr ammo. I bought federal match ammo for 1.5c a round on clearance at same academy 18 months back.

It’s amazing that in this whole crisis they have not been able to sell the 8 boxes of 35 Whelen ammo.

Mike

People are forgetting the elephant in the room too. We just fried the whole world economy over a virus. Even when all the components make it back to the market how many will we be able to afford?

That debt and all these stimulus packages need to be paid in inflation and taxes. We dont get to avoid that now, the damage is done. Its only a question of whether we go recession, depression or worst case 2nd world status.

I remember when I got into bigbores decades ago, anyone who had one...usually only had one. It sat at the head of the collection, which was also a lot smaller than it is today. Now we have safes full of toys and components and blast away 3-4 range trips a month. We swipe a credit card whenever we are bored and another gun turns up in a week and we add it to the collection like spoons or stamps.

If things get tough enough we might have to do like grandad did. 2-3 guns and shooting only for necessity.

When I was growing up a box of 22 shells was a treasure.


A family friend gave me a box of 20ga when I was 13 thought I gone to heaven.

When my son was gowning up I would give him a carton of 22s and tell him learn how to shoot.

I hope I can help the grandkids with their ammo.

Primers are $300 to 475 per 1000 on gunbroker .22 mag shells are $35 a box .Shotgun shells are $10 to $15 a box for cheap stuff .Cheap fmj 9 mm and 223 is $1 each hp are $2 each .The demonrats want $25 a tax on ammo and background checks for it