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Originally posted by .458 Only:
I gotta go now and find a fresh can of A2460. I dumped my old one that dates to at least 2005.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

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Originally posted by RIP:

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Originally posted by .458 Only:
I gotta go now and find a fresh can of A2460. I dumped my old one that dates to at least 2005.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

Yep, Western Powders claims reformulation in 2016 for thermal stability improvement.
It's a little faster than H4895 burn rate, and more compact.
A little bit slower than H335 and same good compaction.
I still SWAG that AA-2230 is just a more-flattened-balls version of AA-2460's more spherical balls.
And there are so many other AR-15/.458WM/TRUMP-suitable powders to be tested.
THE MISSION has a long way to go.
But first, from me will be the H4895 "reduced loads" with 400- to 600-grainers.

.458 TRUMP
Truly Realized Ultimate Magnum Perfection
.458 Winchester Magnum Perfection
Nota bene: In maxima potentia parvum spatium.
Id venit et vicit omnis.

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Originally posted by RIP:
A new feature of THE MISSION is "Load of the Week"
accompanied by a pencil-and-French-curved graphic of MV as a function of bullet weight,
three curves for three KE thresholds, 6000, 5000, and 4000 ft-lbs,
and the 3000-ft-lbs partridges in a pear tree:



. . .

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:

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Originally posted by sambarman338:

The old-and-respectable (non-Murdoch) news sources I read/listen to

Warning warning warning ....... extreme lefty on board

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Originally posted by Fury01:
Jerry,
Speaking of things which I don't have deep knowledge on but I don't think RPM in the air does much or maybe anything for the bullet in the animal. It's all nose shape and the fluid/other stuff dynamics inside. Staying nose forward is where penetration comes from.

Gerard Schultz was of the opinion that a faster twist does aid the transition from air into the animal, or a slanted windshield, etc.
That makes sense to me too. Increased gyroscopic stability at the instant of impact might work that way if bullet path is not "normal"/perpendicular to a flat surface at impact. Bound to be minute variations in the impact surface of a critter.
Faster spin at impact would help the bullet get started straight and not waste any momentum or KE on righting itself
through shoulder and dart stabilization from nose shape and center of gravity forward and inherent stability of a shorter bullet.

ALF could write a book about it and many others have, but we see that in a RN solid vs. a flat nose solid in the same rifle/load in the same kind of medium. If RPM changes penetration, then we could simply go to a 7 twist and make RN stable in flesh.

It would take a thousand-fold increase in spin rate to stabilize a round nose after impact.
That is the difference between air and critter density.

Even the 500 TSX is telling us it's not spin speed.

Yep. The .458"/500-gr TSX is wonderfully accurate through the air all the way to the paper target.
But it will not stay straight in a bucket of water, no matter what velocity or twist rate in a man-portable rifle.
Chimera Wincheter-CZ's accuracy node for the 500-gr TSX with a skinny 24-7/8" CZ barrel of 1:14" twist was 2250 fps MV. Bugholer.
Groups opened up a little at 2342 fps.

Anyway, that's about all I know, the rest is just my opinion.
Might adds Sharpsguy loads at 1250 FPS and a big hunk of lead shooting all the way through big animals tells us something about it.

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Originally posted by jerry mcdonald:
I would like to ride along with the heavy shell, The Mark8? from a 16 inch gun, 2700 lbs worth! neatly pack my ashes between the 3rd and 4th bag of six for a total of 110lbs of propellant ; ] would be a lovely "last ride"

Wife was laughing again last night, she said I have a ways to go, oh? I said, yes, she replied, the one doing "The Knighting" must be "The King! she said, oh crap, I said!

Sir Jerry, remember, your Wife is always correct.

Tis good when your woman can have fun and play along all things 458 TRUMP WIN! also, one that loves Africa and has been with me on two Safaris, it makes cracking that checkbook a hell of a lot easier when your better half is hopping up and down to go more than you are ; ]

You are blessed.

If I had some 450gr TSX's I'd begin load workup for "Load of the Week #2" have saw some for sale, but they're more expensive than MidwayUSA's price, guess i'll have to wait for Larry to get them back in stock.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Hannay,
...
Your 60.0-gr charge with filler is way faster than same charge without filler, more than expected.

I am wondering if the remnant cloud of filler wad trailing a bullet could be picked up by Lab Radar
and confuse it.
See wad closer than bullet, see bullet again after wad vanishes,
the bullet has instantaneously made up some distance ... ?

...

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Originally posted by boom stick:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...1019521/m/6781055362

Undeniably, a .458 WIN TRUMP or .458 Win. Mag. barrel, chambered for 2.5" brass,
will be stronger than a .458 Lott barrel chambered for 2.8" brass,
regarding calculations for any given external barrel contour.
By a small amount the .458 WM/WT can withstand greater chamber pressures than the SAAMI .458 Lott,
but it does not need to, since the .458 WIN TRUMP can achieve higher MV at lower pressure than the SAAMI .458 Lott.

What is the ideal barrel length for the 458 T-Rump? Seems after 20” there is diminishing returns.

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Originally posted by sambarman338:

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:

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Originally posted by sambarman338:

The old-and-respectable (non-Murdoch) news sources I read/listen to

Warning warning warning ....... extreme lefty on board

No, Mike, an extreme lefty is a follower of Lenin or Marx. Rupert Murdoch used to be a bit of a lefty himself and supported Gough until he asked Whitlam for some advantage. Gough, for all his intellect, was a little naive in regard to media moguls and told Rupert that he could not in good conscience do that, at which point Murdoch flipped his support to the right.

If ever 'young' Lachlan has an epiphany like brother James, Todd and his oil-men buddies may discover a similar reversal in the Murdoch camp.

A fine example of internet gibberish. Hint, if you want to make a point, it's best to have an argument based on logic. Just sayin!

Poor RIP certainly has a thin skin for a champion of pachyderm medicine. All I did was, as one who would like to see the arguments from both sides, asked him for some evidence of the claimed nationwide electoral fraud. I am willing to listen to his argument but all he has offered has been insult and now 'ignore' - I'm doubly troubled by this because he is a man I used to regard as a personal friend.

Obviously not. As mentioned, ample evidence has been presented, including video evidence of uncertified ballots being presented in the counting rooms as well as over 2,000 election workers now coming forth as whistle blowers, describing how they were prohibited from observing the election count, or being ordered to alter / ignore non matching signatures or alter postmark dates of mail in ballots. Not to mention that the US Constitution dictates only state legislatures have jurisdiction of how election processes are conducted, with numerous states' courts, governors, or lessor appointed government officials overstepping their authority and dictating illegal procedures to be followed on how the 2020 election was conducted. That the main stream media has refused to cover these reports does not mean they are not credible. In order say you are willing to listen, you have to be willing to listen to information that doesn't confirm your biases.

There is so much evidence of the main stream media ignoring actual evidence of political corruption when the party involved (Dems) aligns with their agenda, while at the same time giving full voice to stories of collusion without the slightest bit of evidence (Russian hoax), again doing so when it suits their agenda, that to not acknowledge this, or dismiss it solely based on the information coming from sources in the media that do not share the leftist bias, is prima facia evidence of either being willfully ignorant of current journalistic corruption, or of being an active participant in its practice. The great thing about living in the information age these days is that one doesn't have to accept being lied to by the traditional elite media gate keepers. There are many, many methods of fact checking the media today. But you have to want to know the truth.

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Originally posted by Cold Trigger Finger:
I get book velocities with book loads from my 19.5" barrel on The Spruce King.
Granted I've never gone after higher than 2150 w/ 500 gr bullet in it. But that's because I never wanted to,or needed .
I always figured the 458 Win was super efficient because I got the same velocities from it as I did my 24" Whitworth and 25" CZ 550 , 458 Lott. When staying around 3.30"
? ? ? ?

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by sambarman338:

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:

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Originally posted by sambarman338:

The old-and-respectable (non-Murdoch) news sources I read/listen to

Warning warning warning ....... extreme lefty on board

No, Mike, an extreme lefty is a follower of Lenin or Marx. Rupert Murdoch used to be a bit of a lefty himself and supported Gough until he asked Whitlam for some advantage. Gough, for all his intellect, was a little naive in regard to media moguls and told Rupert that he could not in good conscience do that, at which point Murdoch flipped his support to the right.

If ever 'young' Lachlan has an epiphany like brother James, Todd and his oil-men buddies may discover a similar reversal in the Murdoch camp.

A fine example of internet gibberish. Hint, if you want to make a point, it's best to have an argument based on logic. Just sayin!

Poor RIP certainly has a thin skin for a champion of pachyderm medicine. All I did was, as one who would like to see the arguments from both sides, asked him for some evidence of the claimed nationwide electoral fraud. I am willing to listen to his argument but all he has offered has been insult and now 'ignore' - I'm doubly troubled by this because he is a man I used to regard as a personal friend.

Obviously not. As mentioned, ample evidence has been presented, including video evidence of uncertified ballots being presented in the counting rooms as well as over 2,000 election workers now coming forth as whistle blowers, describing how they were prohibited from observing the election count, or being ordered to alter / ignore non matching signatures or alter postmark dates of mail in ballots. Not to mention that the US Constitution dictates only state legislatures have jurisdiction of how election processes are conducted, with numerous states' courts, governors, or lessor appointed government officials overstepping their authority and dictating illegal procedures to be followed on how the 2020 election was conducted. That the main stream media has refused to cover these reports does not mean they are not credible. In order say you are willing to listen, you have to be willing to listen to information that doesn't confirm your biases.

There is so much evidence of the main stream media ignoring actual evidence of political corruption when the party involved (Dems) aligns with their agenda, while at the same time giving full voice to stories of collusion without the slightest bit of evidence (Russian hoax), again doing so when it suits their agenda, that to not acknowledge this, or dismiss it solely based on the information coming from sources in the media that do not share the leftist bias, is prima facia evidence of either being willfully ignorant of current journalistic corruption, or of being an active participant in its practice. The great thing about living in the information age these days is that one doesn't have to accept being lied to by the traditional elite media gate keepers. There are many, many methods of fact checking the media today. But you have to want to know the truth.

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Originally posted by sambarman338:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by sambarman338:

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:

quote:

Originally posted by sambarman338:

The old-and-respectable (non-Murdoch) news sources I read/listen to

Warning warning warning ....... extreme lefty on board

No, Mike, an extreme lefty is a follower of Lenin or Marx. Rupert Murdoch used to be a bit of a lefty himself and supported Gough until he asked Whitlam for some advantage. Gough, for all his intellect, was a little naive in regard to media moguls and told Rupert that he could not in good conscience do that, at which point Murdoch flipped his support to the right.

If ever 'young' Lachlan has an epiphany like brother James, Todd and his oil-men buddies may discover a similar reversal in the Murdoch camp.

A fine example of internet gibberish. Hint, if you want to make a point, it's best to have an argument based on logic. Just sayin!

Poor RIP certainly has a thin skin for a champion of pachyderm medicine. All I did was, as one who would like to see the arguments from both sides, asked him for some evidence of the claimed nationwide electoral fraud. I am willing to listen to his argument but all he has offered has been insult and now 'ignore' - I'm doubly troubled by this because he is a man I used to regard as a personal friend.

Obviously not. As mentioned, ample evidence has been presented, including video evidence of uncertified ballots being presented in the counting rooms as well as over 2,000 election workers now coming forth as whistle blowers, describing how they were prohibited from observing the election count, or being ordered to alter / ignore non matching signatures or alter postmark dates of mail in ballots. Not to mention that the US Constitution dictates only state legislatures have jurisdiction of how election processes are conducted, with numerous states' courts, governors, or lessor appointed government officials overstepping their authority and dictating illegal procedures to be followed on how the 2020 election was conducted. That the main stream media has refused to cover these reports does not mean they are not credible. In order say you are willing to listen, you have to be willing to listen to information that doesn't confirm your biases.

There is so much evidence of the main stream media ignoring actual evidence of political corruption when the party involved (Dems) aligns with their agenda, while at the same time giving full voice to stories of collusion without the slightest bit of evidence (Russian hoax), again doing so when it suits their agenda, that to not acknowledge this, or dismiss it solely based on the information coming from sources in the media that do not share the leftist bias, is prima facia evidence of either being willfully ignorant of current journalistic corruption, or of being an active participant in its practice. The great thing about living in the information age these days is that one doesn't have to accept being lied to by the traditional elite media gate keepers. There are many, many methods of fact checking the media today. But you have to want to know the truth.

Thanks Todd, at least you've had the decency to present some of the argument you rely on ... and who knows, there might be something in them.

As to RIP's reply, I can hardly believe what I read. And just to clear the air, the few puffs I had of the substance he mentioned about 40 years ago did nothing to impress me, less I'd say than a Camel or Lucky Strike before I gave them up even earlier.

My parents didn't smoke either and hardly drank, though they did bring me up at the Evangelical end of our Episcopalian church - and as Ron's lookalike once said, religion is the opium of the people. Trouble is my parents believed that the Parables were allegorical hints on how to get to Heaven, not instructions on how to treat slaves and servants who earned or failed to earn you extraordinary profits.

Has it ever occurred to you guys that almost everything in life is luck? Color, nationality, looks, intelligence, educational opportunities, even the inherited-or-acquired drive that turns some people into plutocrats - they all come from luck. Now, if you buy the whole Darwinian bag you can say: so what? Survival of the fittest! While I agree that that is pretty much how the world has got where it is, my poor old mother's outlook that Jesus was a socialist has stuck with me. And since we don't see a lot of angels flying around these days, it occurs to me that the best way to see God's will done is to do it ourselves. Yes, the American tradition of philanthropy is one way to do this but it is often self-serving and rarely amounts to even a hill of beans for the country's poor, let alone the Third World. So, if belief in governments that bring reasonable and sustainable redistribution of the world's resources makes me a lefty, RIP, on that point you have me bang to rights.

Happy Christmas (still on until the 6th) and a safe new year to you all!