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I just received a cased with original accessories 12 bore, 3 inch reproofed to superior proof post 2005 London Proof Marks, Greener Facile Princeps, Extractor Gun. The Gun weighs 7.14 ounces with 32 inch barrels straight hand stock. Double triggers of course. Chokes are Improved Modified (Right barrel/front trigger) and Full Choke (Left barrel/rear trigger). The action has deep three prong side clips. The gun has the Greener side mounted safety. The top lever is right of center. Lock up is tight. Color case is worn from the fences. I have looked for this gun for a long time. Passed a few Empires to get to this one. His name is Richard. Please PM me contact info for pictures. Anyone is welcome to post photos. I am taking Richard Duck and Goose hunting on Thanksgiving. You cannot see it in the phots, but both barrel have the Greener Elephant trade marks stamped. | ||
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You are not planning on shooting steel through Old Dick, are you? DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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Absolutely, Not! Copper plated Bismuth. I won’t shoot steel through modern guns/chokes. | |||
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I have a Jeffery 12-bore double that I thought was a pigeon gun as it has 32" barrels, the flats are marked LC for long chamber (3"), both barrels choked full, and the proof is for 1 1/2 ounces. I was told the heavy proof was for a waterfowl gun as pigeon guns were 1 1/4 ounces. What shot weight is yours proofed for? I'd love to see pictures. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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MR. Cal: I can tell you with 100 percent confidence Live Pigeon Guns from the UK were made with 3 inch chambers. I know this because this year at Holt’s a documented 3 inch Purdey Live Pigeon Gun was sold. Greener was also big in the Live Pigeon game. LC stands for long chambers which could be either 2 3/4 inch or 3 inch, but there are a lot of 3 inch (all correct proof marks) 3 inch guns with just 1 C in diamond. I think that has to do with guns being reproofed or when the gun was proofed. The more I ponder on this Gun, the more I think it was a waterfowling gun. This is do simply because of the level of emballashment of the Gun. Live Pigeon guns were typically more embellished, but not always. See the Webley 500 which was a very simple boxlock. The most famous Live Pigeon Gun is a simple Webley 500 with 2 3/4 inch chambers. Yet, English Live Pigeon guns did most certainly come with 3 inch chambers. | |||
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I think you are both somewhat correct. Generally pigeon guns were 2 3/4" chambered, proofed at 1 1/4 ounce. Likewise most waterfowl guns were 3", proofed at 1 1/2 ounce. But here is the kicker, because of the use of felt wadding, some pigeon shooters especially, did a lot of experimenting with different combinations in order to gain pattern density. 3" chambers gave them more flexibility, but even so true pigeon guns with 3" chambers are a rarity. | |||
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I wish someone with the time, and the connections would write a book on Pigeon Guns. Volume 1-Black powder Volume 2-Cartridge Guns Birmingham Volume 3-Cartridge Guns London Volume 4-Cartridge Guns USA I even have the Chapters outlined. | |||
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Cyril Adams would have been the guy, but alas he waited too late. | |||
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 "Those were the days… When English gunmaking was booming, the likes of Churchill, Holland & Holland, Purdey, Scott &Co put their guns to the test in front of the public a favourite destination was Monte Carlo where live pigeon trap shooting contests offered seriously large prizes, great status and a shooting lodge which was more akin to a palace. Live pigeon trap shooting was big. There were several clubs in the UK, to match those overseas. It was great PR for the London gunmakers, great fun for everyone else. Long since banned in the UK, indeed most places, the sport has a fascinating history, which has been brilliantly pieced together over two decades by live pigeon aficionado and Texan author Cyril S. Adams, in a fabulous new book simply entitled Live Pigeon Trap Shooting. Published by The Sporting Library it enjoys wonderful illustration to accompany the fascinating text, which takes the reader around the world on an all-embracing sporting odyssey, which will appeal to any man or woman who ever raised a gun. This is without question the definitive work on the subject – the history, equipment, descendants of an esoteric sport and how to do it, indeed there has been no book published on live pigeon trap shooting since Captain Albert W. (Blue Rock) Money wrote Pigeon Shooting in 1896. If you like shotguns and ‘Shooting Flying’ you will love this book." Mike | |||
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Mike, PM sent. | |||
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Thanks for the reminder Jines, got me one of those books coming, I love shooting boxed birds but columbaire is the best!! | |||
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I killed my first Wood Ducks, being my first ducks ever, with this gun on Thanksgiving. | |||
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Thank you. I ordered this book, but it won’t be here until after New Year. | |||
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