No first hand experience, but from what I hear they’re well made guns. Went and shot trap with my son today. He shot a lefever 20 gauge made in 1926. Put 125 rounds through her without a hitch... Purty well made gun for well under 2k.
I always wanted a W C Scott Monte Carlo B with original non Damascus barrels.
I found a beautiful 1 1/4 puce regulated piece at a show in Louisville. The problem it was severely off face. I could see light from the standing breach with the action closed. The barrels were shifting side to side in my hands when I mounted the gun.
The price was less than 3k. Know what happened. The prior owner had shot 2 3/4 inch American 1 1/4 ounce loads.
The gun was proofed for 1 1/4 ounce shot but only a 2 1/2 chambers based on the 12C in diamond mark.
I hated that I could not buy the gun being off face.
Posts: 3898 | Location: Somewhere above Tennessee and below Kentucky | Registered: 31 July 2016
Double barrel shotguns are like hammers; just buy a Stevens or Savage Fox and use the hell out of it. Look at Simpsons web site; literally hundreds of European doubles of all makes for $200. Why pay more? Disclaimer; I rarely shoot shotguns and when I do it is for deer and we have to use slugs here. Oh, for cowboy shooting I use either a Win lever action or a Baikal side hammer 16 ga. Or a 97.
Wasn't sure if you were asking us to believe he also shot doubles. Now that would have been something to see.
The concept of the over/under in the beginning was to mimic the sight picture of a single barrel gun, whether a pump or a single shot breach loader. I'd bet your young friend would do equally well with an o/u.
Posts: 1646 | Location: Prescott, Az | Registered: 30 January 2007
The best score I ever got at Skeet was 21 ex 25 with a Greener GP. All shot, yes, as singles. English Skeet so we don't shoot Station 8. So your .410 single barrel guy would have an advantage with his single barrel in "sighting" and the huge advantage of having to only have to worry about taking killing one target only on his call of "pull".
Posts: 6760 | Location: United Kingdom | Registered: 18 November 2007
TWL, yes indeed that would have been something to see + one would have had to see it to believe it + even then doubt it. I do know that after a course at Gunsite I have been using my hillside skeet thrower to shoot my Scout Krag + it's a lot of fun to try + shoot skeet with a rifle. I don't get them all but I'm getting better. It is a challenge.
I’ve thought about one of those Turkish guns to mess around with, but I figure it might make more sense to wait and find a more “classic” double to match my English 28 with straight stock and double triggers.
I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills.
Posts: 2884 | Location: Dallas | Registered: 19 March 2008
Originally posted by MoreBS: I like the straight stocks, give a look at the ole SKB 280.
I vote for this, too, and actually just bought one for myself as a 40th birthday present (I was good all year!). 20ga, 6 1/2 pounds, beautiful, and built impeccably. That'll make my third Japanese double and I find them all to be excellent.
Posts: 1064 | Location: Gilbertsville, PA | Registered: 08 December 2005
Originally posted by dpcd: Double barrel shotguns are like hammers; just buy a Stevens or Savage Fox and use the hell out of it. Look at Simpsons web site; literally hundreds of European doubles of all makes for $200. Why pay more? Disclaimer; I rarely shoot shotguns and when I do it is for deer and we have to use slugs here. Oh, for cowboy shooting I use either a Win lever action or a Baikal side hammer 16 ga. Or a 97.
Tom, there are a lot of differences between rifles and shotguns, which you admit you know little about.
Shotgun shooting requires a smooth, athletic movement to get on a moving target. The eye of the shooter is the 'rear sight' and the barrel bead plays a very secondary role, since the whole focus is on the target. This means that stock fit and balance are far more critical in shotgunning... just any old club of a gun will not be nearly as effective as a fitted, well balanced weapon.
Additionally, the average shotgun is fired far more often that the average rifle, absorbing possibly hundreds of thousands of rounds during its lifetime. Without quality materials and workmanship it WILL fail.
I respect your knowledge and, consequently, your opinions about rifles and 'smithing, but you are wrong about the attributes required of a shotgun.
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