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What are the most obscur/rarest cartridges you own?
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Hi All,

From my personnal list

.300 Pegasus
.338 Exacalibur
.450/400 NE 3"
.450 NE 3 1/4"
.500/465 NE
.600 NE
.700 NE

And you?

Thanks for input

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Posts: 831 | Location: BELGIUM | Registered: 23 May 2002Reply With Quote
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I'm not all too obscure in the world of obscure cartridges. I bought some oddballs from huntingtons a couple years ago. As for original pieces of oddity, let's see, I've got:

-8mm Lebel
-8x56R Hungarian (1938) w/ Nazi proof marks
-9mm Bermann-Bayard (1948) for the Spanish Destroyer carbine
-219 Zipper
-30mm Orelicon
-20mm M103 (although I'm not too sure about that, yes i know i need Cartridges of the World)
-7.62x45 Czechoslavakian

forgot to mention 9.3x62mm and 7.65x53 Argentine Mauser
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Posts: 1723 | Location: wyo | Registered: 03 March 2001Reply With Quote
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8X60 Kropachek and some .25,.32, & .38 rimfires.

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Posts: 1172 | Location: Cheyenne, WY | Registered: 15 March 2001Reply With Quote
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9.5X60

(actually a .376 Steyr)

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Posts: 4166 | Location: San Diego, CA USA | Registered: 14 November 2001Reply With Quote
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32wsl and 35wsl (both were only chambered in the M-1905 self loader)
 
Posts: 2124 | Location: Whittemore, MI, USA | Registered: 07 March 2002Reply With Quote
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Live pinfire. Pretty neat little guy.
25-6.35mm
5-IN-1 (a 44 wcf of sorts)

JAG

 
Posts: 510 | Location: Hood River, OR | Registered: 08 May 2001Reply With Quote
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.50 Smith Carbine, Rubber case
.45 Whitworth hexagonal paper, Civil War.
.50 BMG Pomperoy Experimental
.30/50 HV Experimental
7mm Danger Space Experimental
1" Gatling Multiball
 
Posts: 219 | Location: NH, USA | Registered: 12 May 2002Reply With Quote
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US .60cal machinegun. This was the forerunner to the 20mm Vulcan. It's a live round and the prize of my small collection. I also have some Russian 12.7x108.
 
Posts: 7467 | Location: near Austin, Texas, USA | Registered: 15 December 2000Reply With Quote
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The most controversial in my collection, because it isn't supposed to exist, is a .45 SHORT Colt.

BTW, does anyone have a .50-60 Peabody rimfire for sale or trade?

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.45 SHORT Colt...Jack

Jack

Can you post the dimensions of the 45 short (&/or a picture)? Thanks

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275 Holland & Holland for starters. If anybody want to trade for one let me know what you have to trade.

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Posts: 8342 | Location: Jennings Louisiana, Arkansas by way of Alabama by way of South Carloina by way of County Antrim Irland by way of Lanarkshire Scotland. | Registered: 02 November 2001Reply With Quote
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The .45 Short Colt or .45 Colt Government is the length of the .45 S&W Schofield (1.10") and has the rim of the .45 Long Colt (.506" at the time). The Schofield rim (.522") was too wide for the Colt SAA.

There's pics and more details here:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110827&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

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Posts: 176 | Location: Saskatchewan | Registered: 14 January 2001Reply With Quote
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heres a few of mine ;
.50 Crispin
.31 Milbank Primed Frankford Arsenal frontloader
.56 Star Carbine rimfire
.303 Dished base rimfire
1st Pattern .577 Snider ball
1st Pattern .450 Martini Long Chamber
2nd Pattern .450 Martini Long Chamber
7.62 x 51 Bloem Primer exptl
9mm Mars pistol
PIAT Anti Tank propellant - two variants
.450 Needham Magazine Rifle cartridge
7.92 x 107 Maroszck Anti Tank
13mm TuF WW1 Anti Tank
.303 Greener Multiball
.275 Bland Maximum
280 Roosevelt
500/320 High Velocity

Prefer the older rimfire/patent ignitions myself.

 
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boy am I happy to see this forum
my smallest cartridge
4.25 liliput auto
largest
55 boys
favorite
303 British (I have just over 100 different headstamps)
others of interest
2-piece brass 12Guage
14 guage greener police
32 caliber teat-fire
450/400
577 nitro
2mm pinfire (key chain gun blank)
 
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I have a 35 Brown-Whelan. I wish I had the rifle to go along with it.

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BER007,
The most unusual cartridge I have is a Winchester factory .357 Magnum. This cartridge has a large primer instead of a small primer. The .357 came out in 1935, I think. For a short time they were made with the large primer size and then the factories went to the small primer size.

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450/400 3" NE
450 Nitro for BP 3-1/4"
450 BPE
8X57 R
375 Flanged Magnum NE
4 bore cartridge for some signal gun or for starting some heavy machinery. (I am not sure)


Saad

 
Posts: 271 | Location: Pakistan | Registered: 28 July 2001Reply With Quote
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You guys have got some good stuff here.
About the best I can do is:
8mm Lebel loaded by Robin Hood Arms co. 1917
contract for French gov't
30-40 Krag factory reloads( line stamped over headstamp)
.35 Winchester shot shells
I'm really glad thsi category was started!!
 
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I think no collection should do without a 2 mm pinfire, but they are not rare - actually, these Berloque rounds are easily available here in Germany.

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Carcano

 
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I have some Winchester Super Speed 30'06 that is headstamped 30G.1906. Is this anything special and/or rare or not often seen?

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Posts: 8169 | Location: humboldt | Registered: 10 April 2002Reply With Quote
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I've got a Peters stamped 30G1906 (no dots). I don't know when they switched to .30-06.

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Posts: 176 | Location: Saskatchewan | Registered: 14 January 2001Reply With Quote
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I have a few to lists (All live):

14 Walker (14/221 Rem)
22/15 (Toothpic series- straight cartridge 2.5" long)
30mm Vulcan
20mm Oerlikon (original configuration, not a Lahti)

 
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As soon as I get home I`ll count mine and post a list , wether they are obscure I don`t know ,rare are some of them !
 
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I forgot my 6mm Lee Navy

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Posts: 8342 | Location: Jennings Louisiana, Arkansas by way of Alabama by way of South Carloina by way of County Antrim Irland by way of Lanarkshire Scotland. | Registered: 02 November 2001Reply With Quote
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Here we go : 6,5x61 Super Express v. Hofe /.359x74 Rhein /4,3x45 (DAG headstamp)/4,7 (DAG headstamp) /4,6x36 (HK headstamp with spoontip bullet)/7mm KM (Katzmaier Magnum ,338 Lapua case !)/9,3x72 R /6,5x58 R (WR headstamp) /11,5x49 R /10x 49 R /10,3x60 . Some cartridges that I shoot myself are 30/30 Ackley Imp. /7-30 Waters Imp. /.30 and .35 Herret / .17 Ackley Bee and 6,5x68 , all but the last one out of my Contender !They may not be "obscure" but rare they are indeed !
 
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The original 357 mag. was in a 38 special case with a headstamp of (W.R.A. SUPER 38 SPL)The engineers then decided to lengthen the case .1" so the ammo wouldn't be used in the older revolvers. Yes I have one, but I don't really want to part with it. Value is about $20.00 but they are hard to come by.
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BER007,
The most unusual cartridge I have is a Winchester factory .357 Magnum. This cartridge has a large primer instead of a small primer. The .357 came out in 1935, I think. For a short time they were made with the large primer size and then the factories went to the small primer size.


 
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22/15 (Toothpic series- straight cartridge

Shawn

Can you tell me more about the "Toothpic" series?

Thanks the_captn

 
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A ".22 Whisper" (Very rare.. a 300 Whisper necked down to .22 ~
 
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Cas,

would that be in the SS 109 loading?

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Wow, you all have some great cartridges. There were quite a few (okay, bunches) that I'd never heard of.

Well, I only have a few that haven't been mentioned. I have a loaded practice (blue) round for an M203 grenade launcher. I have a Weatherby 375 (not 378) and an improved 264 Win with an almost square shoulder. I also have some auto pistol catridges (25, 380 and 45) that have all copper HPs. I used to know what these were but I lost the info somewhere along the way.

 
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Shawn

Can you tell me more about the "Toothpic" series?

Thanks the_captn

I purchased the 22/15 cartridge from a collector at a gun show in Mesa, Az. about 6 months ago (I don't remember the exact price although it was less than $10). It is stamped U.M.C. 22-15-60. The shell is 2.0" and the COL is 2.5". The nose is a pointed, all lead bullet with a wax ring. The primer is a small rifle primer. According to the vendor, the rifles that fired the toothpic series cartridges were single shot rifles similar to Ruger #1. I would guess that the hypervelocity rounds like 22-250 and 220 Swift made this round obsolete. Also, he told me that their were many different cartridges in the toothpic series with the common trait of being straight, long cartridges.

I hope that this information was of use.
Shawn
 
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Rarest? Ok...here some are:

2.7 Kolibri
Kynoch 600 Nitro 900gr SP
HI-Vap
450 No1 Carbine
40-90 Peabody 'What-Cheer'

The above rounds are part of my old general collection that I basically put aside some 20+ years ago (with 6000+ rounds in it) to concentrate on 9mm Parabellum.
 
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....... It iss tamped U.M.C. 22-15-60.
Ah-Ha! The 22-15-60 STEVENS cartridge. I have an empty case, but not a loaded round.

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Thanks for clarifying, Shawn. I've never heard the term used before, but it seems appropriate. These cartridges were loaded for a series of single shot Stevens rifles, mostly pre-1900. The .22-15-60 began life w/ a loading of 15 grains of BP, hence the name. Its performance, like that of the rest of the series, was overcome long before rounds such as the Swift & Varminter were even a gleam in someone's eye.
 
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These cartridges were loaded for a series of single shot Stevens rifles, mostly pre-1900.
Are you sure that this cartridge type is that old? I would have expected the 60 in 22-15-60 to stand for the year (ie 1960). If the guns/ammo dates back to <1900, I would be surprised if ammo would be produced as recent as the one that I acquired.

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Hi, Shawn:
That notation refers to the bullet weight, so it's got a 60 grain bullet. You often see the .45-70 called a .45-70-405 or .45-70-500. That old notation makes more sense than the modern ".259 Remmingchester Infinite Magnum." Or course they didn't always get it right in the old days, or we wouldn't have the .38-40.

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40-82
45 rim fire
2 boxes of 38 amu
A friend of mine has some steelheads.the base of the case and belt are steel and it threads into the brass shell
 
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.......some steelheads.the base of the case and belt are steel and it threads into the brass shell
Is the steel-head/brass case new or old? I'm not sure how long ago this case type was made--I think pre-1900. However, there was at least one cartridge of this type made after 1950-- a wildcat, for sure, but I can't remember if it was for a rifle or shotgun!!

(Old age erases some memories--not to imply that I was there for either of these two cases!)

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The steelheads were made by a company here in oregon,I'm guessing in the 80's.The one I saw was 300 win mag.My friend told me the name of the company that made them,but I cant remember
If you want more info I can find out.
 
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