Is it just me or is that new taticool remingtom pistol uglier than home made sin?
There is the "golden touch" and then what appears to be the fecal touch of remington.
Maybe beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder and I am blind to current design standards!

This one, TC? Seems like everyone is taking their boring old bolt action receiver and dressing it up with handguards, big magazines and other tactical furniture, jacking up the price and calling it "revolutionary."

https://www.remington.com/handguns/700-cp

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Is it just me

Yes it is you.

Any thing that can push the legal envelope and show how foolish the SBR part of 1934GCA is a good thing.

If it gets more people shooting/owning guns it is a good thing.

Yes, that is the one.

I don't care what folks buy, own, shoot and am all for new shooters, but that does not overcome my (and only speaking for me) opinion of that thing.
Oh I am assuming that folks are using their choice of firearm in a safe and responsible manner.

Yes beauty truly IS in the eye of the beholder. Remember one man's junk is another man's treasure.

What I find very annoying is the fact that everyone is jumping on the AR bandwagon.

Everyone and his dickhead designers are making AR type rifles.

Totally useless for hunting.

It certainly fits the definition of a "hand rifle"!

While not my cup of tea, I can see where some guys would love such a toy... since they're actually all toys unless used for defense or offence.

Why not? There room in some guy's safe for a couple of those things.

Saeed, AR's are worthless for hunting? Really?

The lowly AR works wonders when multiples show up while calling coyotes!!!

Zeke

I still like my old plastic stocked Remington XP 100 handgun in 7MM BR. I pull it out of the safe lots more since I am retired. I think this is the first "pistol" I thought I might like with a interchangeable barrel setup in quite a while. 6.5 and 358 Winchester would be my choices. Probably would end up using the 358 barrel though. Be Well, Packy.

I looked at one yesterday. With a folding stock it would be a great hiking rifle.

Well, it is different + I for one am for anything that throws rocks at the 1934 GCA.

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What I find very annoying is the fact that everyone is jumping on the AR bandwagon.

Everyone and his dickhead designers are making AR type rifles.

Totally useless for hunting.

Saeed that simply isn't true. Are you aware of the big calibers on the AR10?

Interesting enough they are not that eye appealing to me. But, again, it has been said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Does all this new black plastic accoutrements improve accuracy and reduce weight? Are these new XP offerings more weather resilient? If so then that is a plus. But, I am a bit of a traditionalist and like my XP-100R in its’ Original dress. But, it does sport a Lilja 260AI heavy bbl. MTG

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Originally posted by Saeed:
What I find very annoying is the fact that everyone is jumping on the AR bandwagon.

Everyone and his dickhead designers are making AR type rifles.

Totally useless for hunting.

I agree with you. I bought a very expensive AR on a whim. It’s not a hunting rifle. I guess if I ever get a job as a narco traficante it will come in handy though. To me it’s an odd gun. For hunting, I’ve got better options, for defense I’ve got better options. Even if I just want to spray a lot of rounds fast, I’ve got better options.

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Originally posted by zebrazapper:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
What I find very annoying is the fact that everyone is jumping on the AR bandwagon.

Everyone and his dickhead designers are making AR type rifles.

Totally useless for hunting.

I agree with you. I bought a very expensive AR on a whim. It’s not a hunting rifle. I guess if I ever get a job as a narco traficante it will come in handy though. To me it’s an odd gun. For hunting, I’ve got better options, for defense I’ve got better options. Even if I just want to spray a lot of rounds fast, I’ve got better options.

Reckon you and Saeed never seen an AR10 in 300 Win Mag, 338 Lapua, 45-70 Auto, 461 Rem Mag, and a lot others. They are more then very capable hunting rifles.

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Originally posted by zebrazapper:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
What I find very annoying is the fact that everyone is jumping on the AR bandwagon.

Everyone and his dickhead designers are making AR type rifles.

Totally useless for hunting.

I agree with you. I bought a very expensive AR on a whim. It’s not a hunting rifle. I guess if I ever get a job as a narco traficante it will come in handy though. To me it’s an odd gun. For hunting, I’ve got better options, for defense I’ve got better options. Even if I just want to spray a lot of rounds fast, I’ve got better options.

Reckon you and Saeed never seen an AR10 in 300 Win Mag, 338 Lapua, 45-70 Auto, 461 Rem Mag, and a lot others. They are more then very capable hunting rifles.

I have. If one wants an AR-10 (which I also have one of) more powerto them. But for what the 300 Win Mag is designed for, I can think of much better platforms. Same with 338 Lapua. As far as the other two, I’ll take your word for it.

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Originally posted by zebrazapper:

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Originally posted by vzerone:

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Originally posted by zebrazapper:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
What I find very annoying is the fact that everyone is jumping on the AR bandwagon.

Everyone and his dickhead designers are making AR type rifles.

Totally useless for hunting.

I agree with you. I bought a very expensive AR on a whim. It’s not a hunting rifle. I guess if I ever get a job as a narco traficante it will come in handy though. To me it’s an odd gun. For hunting, I’ve got better options, for defense I’ve got better options. Even if I just want to spray a lot of rounds fast, I’ve got better options.

Reckon you and Saeed never seen an AR10 in 300 Win Mag, 338 Lapua, 45-70 Auto, 461 Rem Mag, and a lot others. They are more then very capable hunting rifles.

I have. If one wants an AR-10 (which I also have one of) more powerto them. But for what the 300 Win Mag is designed for, I can think of much better platforms. Same with 338 Lapua. As far as the other two, I’ll take your word for it.

There's no doubt that AR, both 15 & 10, are generally more accurate then the average bolt action especially with the heavier barrel profile due in part to the barrel nut system and free float barrel due to the free float forarms. They are also impervious to weather and humidity changing the bedding of the stock because we know they don't have stocks like bolt actions. You will also notice lot of the bolt rifles now being build pretty much as a AR.

I know it's hard to accept change. There was a big ruckus when they took are M14's away in Vietnam and gave us the then not perfected M16. I too love walnut and blued steel. For that matter took me a while to get use to stainless guns.

I have many AR's that I've built that are hole drivers in many calibers. I wanted to build that 45-70 Auto (which by the way is a 45-70 rimless) but the barrel cost way too much. There's also an AR 50 BMG out too, but I have no use for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILO--yJu6KY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTaddkj28ic

I spoke with the top man at Remington several times two years ago and tried to convince him to bring back the original center grip XP-100 but in a Custom Shop version with a heavy barrel and a McMillian stock. Several long conversations and this is the result , an answer to a question that was never asked! Ugly and good for what with the too short barrels.

give me the xp-100 instead.

I use an AR 10 for Deer and Elk in the Timber.

pa. Mike
BUT, is the top man at Remington you spoke with a hunter, shooter or just an educated "pencil neck" in charge?

The XP-100 was a fine piece + Bob Mikelic wrote some great stories about its uses in the 70s in G+A mag. A lot of good calibres after the fact but my favorite was still the 221 Fireball.