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This is supposedly a hunting/shooting forum where again it should be assumed most are hunter/shooters. So, defend your choice on the issues that are most relevant to this forum, guns. Can you do it? Will you try? Most of all can you try and do it while staying on topic?
FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17 FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,†but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18 FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1 FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15 FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3 FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9 FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2 FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4 FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5 FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6 FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case. FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7 FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.â€8 FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9 FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10 FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11 FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2 FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14 FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16 FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9 FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9 FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9 1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219) 2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,†Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html) 3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217) 4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html) 5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3. 6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.†Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php) 7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,†Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html) 8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7. 9. “Obama and Gun Control,†The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml) 10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26. 11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18. 12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,†Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html) 13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,†February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html) 14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .†(http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.) 15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004. 16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34. 17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008. 18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf. ---------------------------------------------------- "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" -Ronald Reagan "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." — Winston Churchill  |
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FACT: This was not a one issue election.
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It was for me!!!! Besides.....liberals had no clue what he stood for.....they vote was total emotion and not issue based at all.....if it was you'd have to think.....and it would be painful. ********************************** The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government Thomas Jefferson |
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Once your gun rights are gone they are gone. We can elect a shitty president every 4 years if that is what you want. |
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Its ironic that you claim the liberals voted emotionally and you have reduced the entire election to one issue. I agree gun laws are important, but so is the economy, energy independence, health insurance, foreign policy, education, stem cell research, etc etc etc etc |
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and none of these issues were what got Obama elected..... ********************************** The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government Thomas Jefferson |
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Me too!!! Once the 2nd Amendment goes the rest are sure to follow. "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken  FREE 500 GRAINS |
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"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ---Benjamin Franklin When amendment goes the others soon follow... JUST A TYPICAL WHITE GUY BITTERLY CLINGING TO GUNS AND RELIGION "I'm the guy that originally wrote the "assault weapons" ban." -----Senator Joe Biden NEW Obsama's Agenda LINK Scroll down to: CRIME AND LAW ENFORCEMENT TEXT FROM OFFICIAL WEBSITE LINK ABOVE: CRIME AND LAW ENFORCEMENT Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets. My Dad's law of plausible deniability: "If you want to show someone their idea won't work, do it EXACTLY like they tell you to. Unless you are dealing with Democrats. Those dumb SOB's don't believe ANYTHING, even their own failure." LINK TO Who Controlls Congress |
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Obama sucks.
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Losing it, eh, 500grains???!  FUG YOU, 500grains..... I know who you are .... know what you do..... know you can't join with "your brethren of racial purity"! 
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Gee...DaManic!! That sounded kind or paranoid and personal...you aren't scared of Mr. Grains are you..?? www.SH-SuperPrecision.com "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest." |
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Conservatives and Libs have a lot more in common lately than they do differences, unfortunate but true. So, break down the issues where there is a genuine difference between the two and these key issues number very few. To most gun owners there is no bigger issue. It's one of a few fundamental rights that form the fabric of our country. If you break down the REAL differences between the parties it's pretty easy to be a one issue or just a few issues voter.
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I think "brother" 500 grains nailed it. Power to the People { those that have to carry the financial burden of new cluster fuck administration } Right on " brother " grains !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm celebrating! I know too much about 500grains, Adrookkk, you and "others", Snidley!
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That is exactly how I feel about the Patriot Act. But I didn't see any of your bitching about that as Bush pissed on the constitution. |
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Enactd by the congress of the US and by both partys..... If you had a brain you'd know that and wouldn't be blaming Bush.....you think Obama will ask for repeal?.....did he ever say so in his campaign?.....but he did say
********************************** The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government Thomas Jefferson |
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Obama will do no better or worse on the "other issues", his attack on gun owners is the "only" issue!
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Republican'ts have been touting 2nd Amendment as the ONLY issue worth a damn. Well, you made your own bed by pissing the rest away. Deal with it. None of you tough talkers got the balls to do what you profess. Bunch of suck ass, facist whiners.
______________________________ Reloading, at best, is still alchemy. It's the art of turning lead to gold. If you are unwilling to take into consideration the complex web of issues that determine voters choices aside from the 2nd Amend, you are bound to become cronies of a party, rather than proponents of a principle. |
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********************************** The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government Thomas Jefferson |
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A little testy Mike
I thought you'd at least throw out another speech how you're turning the Dems into gun lovers from the "inside" The patriot act was/is a slippery slope. Arguments could be made either way and make perfect sense. The Libs stance on guns is wide open, Mike Elmer in the headlights, clear for all to see. ---------------------------------------------------- "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" -Ronald Reagan "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." — Winston Churchill |
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You keep saying that but we all know you're full of shit DaManifesto... You don't know Jack about me... www.SH-SuperPrecision.com "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest." |
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 Pretty much! And that is exactly why there should be term limits! |
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