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28 February 2014, 19:12
Edmond
Ukraine fights for Freedom.
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Originally posted by DUK:
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Originally posted by Edmond:
I think Ukraine should bring its armed forces to maximum combat readiness level.

What about compromise instead of war? You seem to lust for it ...

Without immediately outlawing Russian in the whole of the Ukraine and outlawing their political parties as one of the first actions of the new government , the situation now would be totally and completely different. The people on the Krymea and in other Russian speaking oblasts would have stayed calm.

Therefore I continue saying that this dumb, ultra-nationalist government asked for it and I don't understand how the EU can still support this.

Remember, never piss people off unnecessarily.

That the USA does so I am not amazed, they have supported even worse governments.


When did that happen?

Looks like the ultra nationalist fascists are in Crimea and not the other way round..

Remember Wladimir Illitch, Tovarich..


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28 February 2014, 19:17
DUK
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Originally posted by Edmond:
Looks like the ultra nationalist fascists are in Crimea and not the other way round..

C'mon, now you are blaming the victims, not the perpetrators.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
Remember Wladimir Illitch, Tovarich..

He is dead, Edmond, dead since 1924.

Maybe you people look a little more towards the future and bother a little less about the past?
28 February 2014, 19:25
Edmond
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Originally posted by DUK:
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Originally posted by Edmond:
Looks like the ultra nationalist fascists are in Crimea and not the other way round..

C'mon, now you are blaming the victims, not the perpetrators.

quote:
Originally posted by Edmond:
Remember Wladimir Illitch, Tovarich..

He is dead, Edmond, dead since 1924.

Maybe you people look a little more towards the future and bother a little less about the past?



Being blind is your choice.. Lenin's words are even more true today with Putinescu who thinks he is both Napoleon, Peter the Great, Russia, Soviet Union and the Orthodoxy.. "Facts speak by themselves"


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28 February 2014, 19:25
Edmond



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28 February 2014, 19:26
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28 February 2014, 19:26
Edmond
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Yanukovych's adviser Hanna Herman tells why Yanuk is the way he is.

"It started in childhood. Yanukovych lost his mother , his father married again, and she was a very bad stepmother to him, so he went to live with his granny. Found himself on the streets among the gangsters. Was knocked to prison first for one year as a minor, then as an adult, for fights. As a result, he always wanted to get rich and take revenge, "- said Herman. According to the former adviser to the president of Ukraine, people serving sentences in prison should not have the right to participate in politics of the country. " Prison breaks people. And I mean Tymoshenko too," - said Hanna Herman.



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28 February 2014, 19:27
Edmond


"As you can see, I am still alive…."
- Viktor Yanukovych

and so is a cabbage…...


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28 February 2014, 19:29
Edmond
"Ukraine is our strategic partner" - Viktor Yanukovych
About Ukrainians : " I understand the mentality of THESE people".

(Rostov-on Don Press conference 2/28/2014)

Photo from another conference




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28 February 2014, 19:29
Edmond
"I am surprised Vladimir Putin is still keeping quiet with such restraint" - Viktor Yanukovych

Yes, these are the words of a 'true and legitimate president' concerning his own country and people…

(Rostov-on Don Press conference 2/28/2014)


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28 February 2014, 19:32
Edmond
The Right Sector is blocking the cargo of Yanukovych’s associates in the harbor of Kherson
Posted on February 28, 2014 by chornajuravka

1393419398996The organization Right Sector claims that resources worth millions of USD are located in the harbor of Kherson, and that associates of President Viktor Yanukovych, ousted by the Rada, are trying to take them out of the country.

This was stated by Andriy Tarasenko, one of the organization’s leaders, reports еizvestia.com.

“Right Sector representatives were made aware that Yanukovych’s associates and their mafia had gathered resources worth millions of USD that were stolen from the Ukrainian people. After receiving this information, Right Sector fighters entered the port area and surrounded the cargo containers and bookkeeping, preventing it from leaving Ukraine in an unknown direction,” reported Tarasenko.According to Tarasenko, members of the local security forces, the leaders of which were appointed by Yanukovych’s regime, tried to remove Right Sector from the port area in order to prevent them from interfering with the cargo’s exportation. However, the security forces gave up, and the Ukrainian Prosecutor’s Office is now on the site.

Regarding their actions, Right Sector states, “[I]f, during the times when the treasury of Ukraine is empty, when the government is now on the edge of default, the current authorities won’t take prompt actions to save the stolen assets and won’t stop the attempts of Yanukovych’s mafia associates to take treasures out of Ukraine, we reserve the right to use force to stop this lawlessness,” said Tarasenko.

source: Isvestia

Translated by Mariya Shtangrat, edited by Robin Rohrback


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28 February 2014, 19:51
tasunkawitko
To an uneducated American's point of view, this situation is spiraling out of control; those who were oppressed are now wallowing in their victory and hungry for blood. At the same time, Janukovich is doing himself no favours with such a foolish press conference, and in my opinion should just fade into the background and be happy to be alive.

On my drive to work this morning, I heard this interesting interview with Krushchev's great-grandaughter:

http://www.npr.org/2014/02/28/...o-russian-domination

A transcript is not yet available, but one can listen to the interview by clicking the link above.

What I found interesting is that she said (i am paraphrasing her and she is paraphrasing Kruschev): "We rolled tanks into Hungary. 12 years later in 1968 we rolled tanks into Czechoslovakia - it was as if we had not learned a better way in those years."

And now, tanks are on the border of Ukraine. Hopefully Putin has learned.

All of these people who claimed to want peace - yet their actions do not follow their words.


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28 February 2014, 20:03
Edmond
Putin does not accept to learn anything.

and there is no blood asked by those who fought on Maidan with stones against rifles.

The people of Ukraine does not accept anymore thieves, plunderers and fascists,that's plain and simple.


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28 February 2014, 20:06
Edmond
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"We rolled tanks into Hungary. 12 years later in 1968 we rolled tanks into Czechoslovakia - it was as if we had not learned a better way in those years."


and 12 years later, Afghanistan.

twelve years later again, Caucasus

and twelve years later, Georgia.. even if I think Shitishvili is a POS bought by USA..

and now? Ukraine?


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28 February 2014, 20:24
Edmond
Nothing like a good war, perfect diversion when there are so many internal problems..




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28 February 2014, 20:25
Edmond
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Stagnation Destroys AvtoVAZ Investment

By Sergei Aleksashenko
Feb. 27 2014 16:04
Last edited 16:04

The opening weeks of 2014 have brought no improvement to the Russian economy, with the ruble suffering a sharp devaluation, industry stagnating in January and inflation accelerating in February.

Even though President Vladimir Putin has acknowledged that Russia has exhausted all growth opportunities based on a "raw materials" economic model, both he and his ministers are at a loss to explain the economic slowdown.

The only hope for investment is from state and foreign companies. AvtoVAZ is more than just a major enterprise for President Putin.

Government officials repeatedly blame adverse conditions abroad for the problem, but this theory does not hold water. World oil prices — the main channel by which the Russian economy receives positive or negative signals from the outside world — have remained at a comfortable $105 to $110 per barrel. The volume of Russia's exports has not grown, but neither has it fallen. Russian gas exports to Europe have reached record highs. True, demand for metals has fallen, but the metals account for no more than 7 percent of all Russian exports and less than 3 percent of gross domestic product. Any disquietude in the world financial community tends to drive up interest rates on Russian debt, but those rates remain near historic lows. And, most important, the world economy is looking increasingly bullish.

Many agree that Russia's economic slowdown stems from a decline in the investments that fell by 0.3 percent in 2013 while no economy can grow without investment. Throughout the 15 years following the economic crisis of 1998, the growth rate of investment in the Russian economy has remained roughly double the growth rate of GDP. If one uses that ratio as a forecast for economic growth, then the 1.3 percent growth that the Russian economy demonstrated in 2013 was a remarkable result given a decline in investment.

With Russia failing to protect property rights or rein in endemic corruption, it is no wonder private businesspeople are reluctant to invest. That means if the authorities are not keen to implement institutional reforms but hope to see a revival in investment activity, they must rely on the state sector and foreign business. However, the state sector also shows little promise. Budgetary investment has fallen significantly at the federal level, but even more at the regional level and the governmental decision to freeze prices for natural monopolies such as railways, power and gas have left those sectors without the anticipated financial resources.

Foreign businesses long ago understood the rules of the Russian game: to succeed you need to have good relations with the authorities and a partially state-owned company for a reliable partner. However, it seems that this situation is bound to change, with AvtoVAZ — Russia's single largest industrial enterprise outside of the raw materials sector — providing the first indication of this shift.

The nature and scale of the carmaker, with its massive assembly cycles and hundreds of parts subcontractors, is such that any slowdown or acceleration of the assembly line instantly affects the growth of Russian industry and, as a result, of the entire economy.

That effect was clearly evident in May 1998, when the AvtoVAZ workweek became a quarter shorter and Russia's manufacturing output plummeted overnight. Similar episodes occurred in the summer of 2002 and during the crisis of 2008 to 2009. The opposite happened in November that year, when the devaluation of the ruble caused the price of Lada cars to fall in dollar terms. This sparked a surge in demand and the rapid growth of Russia's industry — all at a time when the financial sector was still a smoking ruins.

In 2013, AvtoVAZ car sales was at nearly 535,000 units, a 12 percent drop from the previous year. Of course, that was in part due to outdated models getting pulled from production. But a decline in consumer demand was a much more important factor.

AvtoVAZ got off to a bad start in the New Year, announcing a more than 10 percent reduction to its workforce. That means the Tolyatti plant has not seen any positive signs from the economy that might signal a revival in consumer demand.

As often happens in business, this came at a bad time for AvtoVAZ. The company is nearing the completion of a major investment program that would double production capacity. Any delay in launching the new facilities would reduce the returns. But manufacturing at the higher capacity in the absence of demand could lead to extra stocks and a sharp decline in the firm's financial position.

The current crisis in Tolyatti will undoubtedly unfold differently this time around. Well aware of its significance for the Russian economy, the government has traditionally helped the firm in times of crises. However, that was when the main AvtoVAZ shareholder was Vladimir Kadannikov, one of the most influential "red directors" of the 1990s who could meet with former President Boris Yeltsin any time he wanted, Boris Berezovsky, or the state-owned Rostech corporation. Now, Franch-Japanese carmaker Renault-Nissan is the main shareholder in the plant, and its chief, Carlos Ghosn, has met with Putin several times and told him of AvtoVAZ's bright future.

AvtoVAZ is more than just a major enterprise for Putin. He defied the advice of almost all his ministers and took personal responsibility for allocating budgetary funds to save the plant in 2009. At that time, AvtoVAZ shareholders understood that they must seek assistance from the government to repay their bank debt. But what can they ask for now — accelerated economic growth? The government itself wants that, but it has no idea how to achieve it.

Sergei Aleksashenko, former deputy finance minister and first deputy chairman of the Central Bank, is a visiting fellow at Georgetown University.



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28 February 2014, 20:32
Edmond
http://ukrainianpolicy.com/the...r-viktor-yanukovych/

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Viktor Yanukovych is a wanted man. Today Ukraine’s acting Interior Ministry announced the deposed president, along with roughly 50 other top officials of the collapsed regime, were being placed under criminal investigation with Yanukovych placed on the nation’s Most Wanted list. While he still seems to have symbolic, if not fading backing from Russia, Yanukovych’s support base has fallen through the floor among all but his closest associates. Even his own Party of Regions has denounced him as a criminal and murderer. But where did he go? Where is the sultan turned vagabond?

Shortly after it was announced that impeachment proceedings would be taken against him, Yanukovych fled the capital along with cohort Andriy Klyuyev


Klyuyev brothers stole so much money that it could be enough to save Ukraine 2013 budget, too..


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28 February 2014, 23:01
Mike Brooks
Here is a link for a timeline of the current events. You may need to copy and paste.

http://translate.google.com/tr...-sobytyi-28-fevralia



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01 March 2014, 00:18
DUK
Nationalist demonstrators on the Krymea, showing their heritage?



Parade of the Crimean Tatar Police Battalion «Schuma». Crimea. Fall 1942


01 March 2014, 00:40
Edmond
Today in Crimea, Ukraine




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01 March 2014, 00:47
Edmond
That's called an invasion..

http://vk.com/c_lviv?z=video59...2F31686546651ae81f60


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01 March 2014, 00:51
Edmond
We know the answer, now..




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01 March 2014, 00:54
tasunkawitko
Those photos above - if it were my country, I would be concerned about the lack of insignia on the uniforms.....
01 March 2014, 00:54
Santa Claus
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They want the country to be ethnically clean.


If the Ukrainians of the west part of the country want the land to be clean of of the Russians that lived in that part of the world for ages, then it poses a big problem to the concept of unity. Descriminating againste the Russian language only means more hostility and if that is what they sow then I suppose that is wgat they will reap.

The Crimea have never been managed by Kiev. They have their own parliament and function independantly. Their will should also be respected and if they vote to become part of Russia then it should also be respected in the name of peace, rather than to subject them to the chaos and vandalism we have seen in Kiev. I have just watched the news and the new interim government of the Uktaine accomadates all those revolutionary right-wingers.

If this is the moment for the Ukranians to rid the country of Russian Ukrainians then it is a dumb move in my opinion. However if these Russian Ukrainians don't seen them ruled by the new Ukranian government then the Ukraine is going to face hostility in many spheres of government. We see a new chapter in world history now that some sections of a country want to secede like we see with Scotland, the Basques & Catalans in Spain, etc. A clear signal of seperatism as opposed to multi-culturism. Angela Merkel and David Cameron have both admitted that multi-culturism failed their countries. We see the same in Holland and Norway. And let us not forget the diabolical situation in MARSEILLE, France's second largest city - and has been ranked as the most dangerous city in Europe.

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01 March 2014, 00:56
Edmond
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01 March 2014, 01:03
DUK
‘Shut the f**k up, b*tch!’ Notorious far-right Ukraine leader attacks prosecutor (VIDEO)

Ukrainian radical nationalist leader Aleksandr Muzychko went on with the rampage against regional authorities, lashing out at a local prosecutor with obscene language, punches and threats. The radical claimed the prosecutors were “sabotaging” their job. Muzychko, who is a member of the Right Sector radical movement, arrived at Rovno (Rivne) Oblast prosecutor’s office after he heard claims that a criminal investigation into a local murder is being delayed. The controversial “activist,” known for taking part in the Chechen conflict against Russian troops, for his recent Kalashnikov brandishing in front of regional authorities and for making openly anti-Semitic statements, decided to take the matter into his own hands.


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01 March 2014, 01:05
Santa Claus
quote:
Originally posted by tasunkawitko:
To an uneducated American's point of view, this situation is spiraling out of control; those who were oppressed are now wallowing in their victory and hungry for blood. At the same time, Janukovich is doing himself no favours with such a foolish press conference, and in my opinion should just fade into the background and be happy to be alive.

On my drive to work this morning, I heard this interesting interview with Krushchev's great-grandaughter:

http://www.npr.org/2014/02/28/...o-russian-domination

A transcript is not yet available, but one can listen to the interview by clicking the link above.

What I found interesting is that she said (i am paraphrasing her and she is paraphrasing Kruschev): "We rolled tanks into Hungary. 12 years later in 1968 we rolled tanks into Czechoslovakia - it was as if we had not learned a better way in those years."

And now, tanks are on the border of Ukraine. Hopefully Putin has learned.

All of these people who claimed to want peace - yet their actions do not follow their words.


tu2

Santa Claus
01 March 2014, 01:41
SR4759
Dear Santa Claus,
You do not comprehend Khruschev's Ggranddaughter's words. She is saying Putin has not learned....

quote:
Originally posted by Santa Claus:
quote:
Originally posted by tasunkawitko:
To an uneducated American's point of view, this situation is spiraling out of control; those who were oppressed are now wallowing in their victory and hungry for blood. At the same time, Janukovich is doing himself no favours with such a foolish press conference, and in my opinion should just fade into the background and be happy to be alive.

On my drive to work this morning, I heard this interesting interview with Krushchev's great-grandaughter:

http://www.npr.org/2014/02/28/...o-russian-domination

A transcript is not yet available, but one can listen to the interview by clicking the link above.

What I found interesting is that she said (i am paraphrasing her and she is paraphrasing Kruschev): "We rolled tanks into Hungary. 12 years later in 1968 we rolled tanks into Czechoslovakia - it was as if we had not learned a better way in those years."

And now, tanks are on the border of Ukraine. Hopefully Putin has learned.

All of these people who claimed to want peace - yet their actions do not follow their words.


tu2

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01 March 2014, 01:47
Edmond
DUK and "le Père Noël" , this is not an ad hominem attak, I repeat: this is not an ad hominem attack.

You two are good putinists/stalinists/fascists (pick your fav, same material, different flavours) never adress the issue and keep screaming "ultra radical nationalist western Ukraine carpatian redneck foreign agents nazis" as much as you wish..

I have nothing to gain, I am not Ukrainian, I am not Russian, I just consider the facts and you are making yourselves look stupid.


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01 March 2014, 01:49
Santa Claus
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We see a new chapter in world history now that some sections of a country want to secede like we see with Scotland, the Basques & Catalans in Spain, etc. A clear signal of seperatism as opposed to multi-culturism.


Oh I have forgotton about Belgium. Is the division of Belgium inevitable? Tthe Flemish have become obsessed with the arrogance of the French-speakers and the French -speakers obsessed with the selfishness of the Flemish, which does not make a united Belgium. Fewer and fewer Flemish people speak French while fewer and fewer French-speaking Belgians speak Flemish.

"Dutch-speakers and French-speakers don't talk together enough for Belgium to be called a healthy democracy", explains Professor Philippe Van Parijs in an interview published in the Flemish daily.

"It appears that the final hour of the Belgian State has drawn a little closer", writes Jean-Luc de Meulemeester, professor at the Université Libre de Belgique. "French-speaking Belgians are dreading this moment, especially as, unlike the Flemish, they have no substitute homeland. While the Flemish nation is building itself, the French-speaking nation is still seeking an identity. But it may be that an eventual division of the country could serve a purpose in the adaptation of the Belgian social-economic model to new capitalism.

The language divide is at the heart of the split that is tearing Belgium apart. And now do we see the same in the Ukraine that wants to clean itself from Russian influence, culture and language?

Few symbols of Belgian unity remain, other than the royal family, the cartoon character Tintin and Brussels itself. There is no national narrative in Belgium, rather two opposing stories told in Dutch or French. The result is a dialogue of the deaf.

We also had Czechoslovakia splitting up - Czech Republic and Slovakia and now there is peace, even though Slovakia got the bad end of the stick as the under developed area whilst the northern part was industrialized.

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01 March 2014, 01:52
Edmond
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Originally posted by tasunkawitko:
Those photos above - if it were my country, I would be concerned about the lack of insignia on the uniforms.....


Ukrainians feel concerned. Two of their airports are occupied by russian troops, Russia violate Ukraine airspace, attack helicopters and troops ferrying helicopters are flying above a sovereign country, armored divisions with full impedimenta are "conducting exercices" near Ukraine borders, russian APCs are blockading roads on Ukraine's territory.

That is called an invasion.


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01 March 2014, 02:20
Santa Claus
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You do not comprehend Khruschev's Ggranddaughter's words. She is saying Putin has not learned....


I agree, Putin may not have learned. So it is with Bush and Obama as well. And those vandals acheived their agenda with violence and my prediction is that they also have not learned that violence begets violence.

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01 March 2014, 02:22
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