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08 May 2021, 04:24
MJines
Why People Won't Get The Vaccine
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:

All I ever stated was that it was quite safe, that there was good science to hypothesis potential efficacy, and there was good science that showed efficacy in some instances.



. . . and that you would take it prophylactically if exposed. Wink


Mike
08 May 2021, 04:54
ledvm
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:

All I ever stated was that it was quite safe, that there was good science to hypothesis potential efficacy, and there was good science that showed efficacy in some instances.



. . . and that you would take it prophylactically if exposed. Wink


I believe I stated I would take it if tested positive.

I was exposed 3 times that I know of positively.


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Hunter/Conservationist

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NRA Life Member
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08 May 2021, 08:54
Beretta682E
"Infections are down 75% from a March peak in Serrana, while there have been no deaths from Covid-19 among the people who were fully vaccinated, suggesting CoronaVac is also effective against the aggressive P.1 variant sweeping the region."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/b...ps://t.co/lIMohzShpy


sure beats popping a lupus drug Wink

Mike


Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.

Bernard Baruch
08 May 2021, 23:04
jdollar
ABC news had an interview this AM with a 35 y.o. guy who was previously in good health and passed on getting the jab. A month later he got COVID, is still weak and sick after another month. His advice? It’s not a joke, get the vax. I think of it as evolution in action. tu2
09 May 2021, 01:26
Beretta682E
quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
ABC news had an interview this AM with a 35 y.o. guy who was previously in good health and passed on getting the jab. A month later he got COVID, is still weak and sick after another month. His advice? It’s not a joke, get the vax. I think of it as evolution in action. tu2




seriously stupid

if you want to enjoy life get the covid vaccine

it will make sure when you get covid you get a mid case of it

you don’t end up in e hospital or become a long haul candidate

Mike


Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.

Bernard Baruch
09 May 2021, 01:54
Beretta682E
another wonder drug moves into irrelevance

https://www.axios.com/covid-ok...4c-6969d6f9c5ae.html

don’t worry it’s not a covid vaccine Big Grin

Mike


Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.

Bernard Baruch
09 May 2021, 02:24
Beretta682E
: Israel's coronavirus positivity rate drops to 0.1% for the second time this week


get the f@cking vaccine

Mike


Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.

Bernard Baruch
09 May 2021, 07:13
jdollar
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
another wonder drug moves into irrelevance

https://www.axios.com/covid-ok...4c-6969d6f9c5ae.html

don’t worry it’s not a covid vaccine Big Grin

Mike


Ah, the Trump touted wonder drug fades into history..... Can’t believe OK wasted $2.6 million on it and even more surprised that the distributor refunded it. It’s like being rescued from your own stupidity. Are the Okies sending back their jugs of bleach?? 2020
09 May 2021, 08:15
Beretta682E
brazil - majority of icu patients are under 40

https://www.reuters.com/articl...brazil-idUSKBN2C02UB

in US

https://www.citybeat.com/news/...se-in-younger-adults


not getting vaccinated is stupidity

icu getting filled with young unvaccinated is completely manageable just like we have reduced risk for older american via vaccination.

Mike


Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.

Bernard Baruch
09 May 2021, 17:07
ledvm
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
brazil - majority of icu patients are under 40

https://www.reuters.com/articl...brazil-idUSKBN2C02UB

in US

https://www.citybeat.com/news/...se-in-younger-adults


not getting vaccinated is stupidity

icu getting filled with young unvaccinated is completely manageable just like we have reduced risk for older american via vaccination.

Mike


nilly

I thought you were a numbers guy. Look at the stats...math doesn’t lie.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM
Hunter/Conservationist

DSC Life Member
NRA Life Member
APHA Honorary Member

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans. – Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
09 May 2021, 18:46
Aspen Hill Adventures
animal



And:




~Ann



10 May 2021, 01:54
jdollar
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
brazil - majority of icu patients are under 40

https://www.reuters.com/articl...brazil-idUSKBN2C02UB

in US

https://www.citybeat.com/news/...se-in-younger-adults


not getting vaccinated is stupidity

icu getting filled with young unvaccinated is completely manageable just like we have reduced risk for older american via vaccination.

Mike


nilly

I thought you were a numbers guy. Look at the stats...math doesn’t lie.


I reread the articles and both discussed the increase in severe COVID cases in people under 40. What stats are you referring to??
10 May 2021, 02:04
eezridr
Just curious. Does it note anything regarding obesity?
That appears to play a key role in the effects on everyone including younger folks.
I cannot understand why the media and data do mention how this state increases the terminal effects.

EZ.
quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
brazil - majority of icu patients are under 40

https://www.reuters.com/articl...brazil-idUSKBN2C02UB

in US

https://www.citybeat.com/news/...se-in-younger-adults


not getting vaccinated is stupidity

icu getting filled with young unvaccinated is completely manageable just like we have reduced risk for older american via vaccination.

Mike


nilly

I thought you were a numbers guy. Look at the stats...math doesn’t lie.


I reread the articles and both discussed the increase in severe COVID cases in people under 40. What stats are you referring to??

10 May 2021, 06:58
Beretta682E
quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
brazil - majority of icu patients are under 40

https://www.reuters.com/articl...brazil-idUSKBN2C02UB

in US

https://www.citybeat.com/news/...se-in-younger-adults


not getting vaccinated is stupidity

icu getting filled with young unvaccinated is completely manageable just like we have reduced risk for older american via vaccination.

Mike


nilly

I thought you were a numbers guy. Look at the stats...math doesn’t lie.


I reread the articles and both discussed the increase in severe COVID cases in people under 40. What stats are you referring to??


28,000 new covid cases at 8 month low - can’t be the vaccination. Must be the late effect of all the hydroxy pills popped.

Mike


Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.

Bernard Baruch
10 May 2021, 16:14
ledvm
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
brazil - majority of icu patients are under 40

https://www.reuters.com/articl...brazil-idUSKBN2C02UB

in US

https://www.citybeat.com/news/...se-in-younger-adults


not getting vaccinated is stupidity

icu getting filled with young unvaccinated is completely manageable just like we have reduced risk for older american via vaccination.

Mike


nilly

I thought you were a numbers guy. Look at the stats...math doesn’t lie.


I reread the articles and both discussed the increase in severe COVID cases in people under 40. What stats are you referring to??


28,000 new covid cases at 8 month low - can’t be the vaccination. Must be the late effect of all the hydroxy pills popped.

Mike


It is called Herd Immunity. Vaccination has certainly become an augmenting factor.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM
Hunter/Conservationist

DSC Life Member
NRA Life Member
APHA Honorary Member

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans. – Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
10 May 2021, 16:18
ledvm
quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
brazil - majority of icu patients are under 40

https://www.reuters.com/articl...brazil-idUSKBN2C02UB

in US

https://www.citybeat.com/news/...se-in-younger-adults


not getting vaccinated is stupidity

icu getting filled with young unvaccinated is completely manageable just like we have reduced risk for older american via vaccination.

Mike


nilly

I thought you were a numbers guy. Look at the stats...math doesn’t lie.


I reread the articles and both discussed the increase in severe COVID cases in people under 40. What stats are you referring to??


The ones across the board (and cited in multiple publications) that show if you are <35 and without comorbidity [which includes obesity)...you have a virtual 0% chance to have a bad outcome from a SARS CoV-2 infection.

Totally anecdotal and not to be weighed heavily in decision making but since everyone throwing it out...I know a dozen <35’s who had it. Five of them work for me. None of them had anything more than 2-3 days of flu-like symptoms and were twiddling their thumbs to get back out by the end of their quarantine period.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM
Hunter/Conservationist

DSC Life Member
NRA Life Member
APHA Honorary Member

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans. – Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
10 May 2021, 17:29
MJines
Interesting, increasingly Lane is even taking positions at odds with the doctors on here. Candidly I think that is because his opinions are shaped more by his politics than his views of medicine and science. Just a convenient reminder, listen to the medical doctors, follow the lead of the medical doctors, ignore the pseudo-medical doctors.


Mike
10 May 2021, 17:35
ledvm
Of course Mike, you could point to data that disputes what I just posted.

The articles posted by Beretta Mike had nothing but opinion in them. Now there is tons of data with real numbers.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM
Hunter/Conservationist

DSC Life Member
NRA Life Member
APHA Honorary Member

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans. – Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
10 May 2021, 19:34
Beretta682E
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
Interesting, increasingly Lane is even taking positions at odds with the doctors on here. Candidly I think that is because his opinions are shaped more by his politics than his views of medicine and science. Just a convenient reminder, listen to the medical doctors, follow the lead of the medical doctors, ignore the pseudo-medical doctors.



listen to dr fauchi and real doctors above The whole army of covid fraudsters promoting hydroxy, bleach, uv lights, summer weather and other frauds.

the mrna vaccine guys - pfizer and moderna saved america otherwise we would be losing millions of lives and not 1/2 mil to covid.

it’s time to pull back all federal government medical
support for covid and put the burden on insurance companies. they can price stupidity risk of not being vaccinated via increased premiums or dropped coverage.

Mike


Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.

Bernard Baruch
10 May 2021, 19:42
MJines
Makes sense. Smokers pay higher insurance rates, why shouldn't anti-vaxxers with no legitimate medical reason not to take the vaccine? At a minimum if someone diagnosed with Covid that refused to be vaccinated ends up seriously ill the government should not be subsidizing any aspect of their care and treatment. They made a conscious risk assessment and opted to take the risk, if they end up rolling snake eyes, let them bear the associated cost burden.


Mike
10 May 2021, 20:01
Johnny reb
I know people can get heated on either side of the conversation.
Something I’ve not seen anyone mention on this thread is the speed in which the vaccines were created and released.
The first stage of development is lab and animal studies and usually take several years.
2 pre clinical stage uses tissue, and animal testing to assess the safety of the vaccine and its immunogenicity which last a year or more. The point is it typically takes 3+Yrs to be at this point before paperwork can be filed to even start on human testing. I think this vaccine being needed, developed, and in circulation in less than a year is a big reason a lot won’t get vaccinated.
10 May 2021, 20:36
Huvius
quote:
Originally posted by Johnny reb:
I know people can get heated on either side of the conversation.
Something I’ve not seen anyone mention on this thread is the speed in which the vaccines were created and released.
The first stage of development is lab and animal studies and usually take several years.
2 pre clinical stage uses tissue, and animal testing to assess the safety of the vaccine and its immunogenicity which last a year or more. The point is it typically takes 3+Yrs to be at this point before paperwork can be filed to even start on human testing. I think this vaccine being needed, developed, and in circulation in less than a year is a big reason a lot won’t get vaccinated.


Exactly, take a look at these articles right from the FDA.
They threw the rule book out in the case of covax


https://www.fda.gov/media/143890/download

“...issuance of an EUA would require a determination by FDA that the vaccine’s
benefits outweigh its risks based on data from at least one well- designed Phase 3 clinical trial that demonstrates the vaccine’s safety and efficacy in a clear and compelling manner.”

https://www.fda.gov/patients/d...-3-clinical-research
10 May 2021, 20:48
MJines
It's simple. Listen to the doctors and follow the lead of the doctors. You think you know more about immunology and vaccine safety and efficacy than the doctors? The vast majority of doctors and healthcare workers have been vaccinated. Many have their children participating in clinical trials of the vaccine for young children. If they had serious reservations, neither would be the case. You want to be an anti-vaxxer . . . then you should be responsible for the consequences of your decision in terms of your own healthcare in the event you end up seriously ill as well the healthcare of anyone you might expose.


Mike
10 May 2021, 21:01
Huvius
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
It's simple. Listen to the doctors and follow the lead of the doctors. You think you know more about immunology and vaccine safety and efficacy than the doctors? The vast majority of doctors and healthcare workers have been vaccinated.
Not all? But they’re so much smarter than all the rest! Funny, my doctor neighbors both got the vaccine because they had to, not because they feel it is safe and effective. One is even a pediatrician!

10 May 2021, 21:03
Aspen Hill Adventures
quote:
you end up seriously ill as well the healthcare of anyone you might expose.


Jines,

Do you still not understand that these covid vaxxes do not prevent you from getting or spreading covid?

The 'experts' only claim is that if you get their vaxx you won't get as sick. That's all it can possibly do. Why are you and others ignoring this?


~Ann



10 May 2021, 21:16
MJines
Ann, with all due respect, your statements make you appear dumber than a stump. The vaccines have a 94-96% efficacy rate. Maybe Butler or Dollar will waste their time trying to explain this to you . . . not me.


Mike
10 May 2021, 21:40
Aspen Hill Adventures
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0...accine-walensky.html


~Ann



10 May 2021, 21:50
Huvius
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
Ann, with all due respect, your statements make you appear dumber than a stump. The vaccines have a 94-96% efficacy rate. Maybe Butler or Dollar will waste their time trying to explain this to you . . . not me.


Here Mikey, I’ll help you out a bit...


“Until we have broad-based vaccination and herd immunity, we should appreciate that it’s possible to still get exposed to the virus really from anybody whether they’re vaccinated or not,” says John R. Mascola, director of the federal National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases’ Vaccine Research Center.

From Time Magazine:

“The way most people think of vaccines is pretty simple: you get vaccinated, and your immune system is primed and trained to fight off the invisible intruder in question, be it virus or bacteria. If you’re protected, you can’t be infected, and if you’re not infected, then you can’t spread it to anyone else.

And that’s true most of the time. But not all vaccines work that way, and it’s not actually what the two COVID-19 vaccines authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration—made by Moderna and Pfizer-BioNtech—are designed to do. Their effectiveness is measured by how well they protect people against moderate to severe COVID-19 disease—not how well they prevent infection or spread of the COVID-19 virus itself.”

Now, if you need further explanation on what this means, we can get out the crayons and draw some pictures for you.
10 May 2021, 21:57
Aspen Hill Adventures
quote:
Their effectiveness is measured by how well they protect people against moderate to severe COVID-19 disease—not how well they prevent infection or spread of the COVID-19 virus itself.


Too many keep ignoring this FACT.

Jines, name calling does not make you right at all.


~Ann



10 May 2021, 22:38
Huvius
quote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

Too many keep ignoring this FACT.


Ann, it is just the latest tool the Left uses to attempt to claim a moral high ground.
They will see virtually zero question or pushback so they all chant the same BS and feel as if they reach truth by consensus.
Makes them feel good.
10 May 2021, 22:51
crbutler
They used the endpoint they did because it’s easily measured.

How many hundreds of thousands of Covid tests would you have to run to verify not getting the virus?

With COVID, so many have subclinical infections, that’s the only way to prove that it wholly stops infection and transmission.

The results speak for themselves- if you have 95% reduction in disease, the immunity is effective.

Now, all biological systems have differences, so some folks get less immunity than others, and it’s possible that a weak responder could get Covid but have an increased likelihood of subclinical infection- that’s sensible immunology.

So while the vaccine works, and stops spread, you can’t say it’s 100%.

Nothing is.

But it’s better than nothing.

I find it kind of funny that the lawyers here are supporting the vaccine despite it being immune (pun intended) from lawsuits, and the folks who rail about the legal lottery the most complain about that.

The testing protocols for vaccines have bloated bureaucratically over the years.

Smallpox vaccination was wholly unregulated and untested at first. Polio was minimally evaluated before it was rolled out. The speed at which a vaccine is approved really has more to do with the perceived urgency of the problem than anything else.

I get there is a risk with the unknown- but with the huge number of people getting this thing, it’s effectively had a huge short term evaluation, and is probably one of the safest injectable drugs out there.

Long term mRNA effects might pop up, but you would expect to see some of it by now given the numbers- so odds are anything bad will be small numbers.

I’m not big on forcing treatment except in certain unusual circumstance.

Once the folks who want the vaccine have had a chance to get it, open things up, and if we need to triage for Covid disease, the antivax crowd should go to the back of the line- since they effectively refused treatment.

Let folks decide. But choices have consequences.
10 May 2021, 23:09
MJines
The mere fact that in 2021 we can have supposedly literate people arguing over whether the Covid vaccines are really "vaccines" because they are not 100% effective . . . when no vaccine is 100% effective . . . is truly sad. And these folks are perfectly comfortable ignoring what the doctors here say as well as thousands of their fellow physicians. There really is no cure for stupid.


Mike
11 May 2021, 00:01
Jason P
I refuse to make the vaccine political. I’m conservative and 100% for it. Me and my wife received ours as soon as it was available.

When my 73 year olds mother was scheduled to get hers, she had some friends tell her how concerned they were with her receiving it. The friends medical background consists of being employed at a convenience store. I persuaded her to ignore them and trust those with a sound medical background (which she did)

It’s says that so many (not everyone) has politicized this.
11 May 2021, 00:23
Johnny reb
quote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
They used the endpoint they did because it’s easily measured.

How many hundreds of thousands of Covid tests would you have to run to verify not getting the virus?

With COVID, so many have subclinical infections, that’s the only way to prove that it wholly stops infection and transmission.

The results speak for themselves- if you have 95% reduction in disease, the immunity is effective.

Now, all biological systems have differences, so some folks get less immunity than others, and it’s possible that a weak responder could get Covid but have an increased likelihood of subclinical infection- that’s sensible immunology.

So while the vaccine works, and stops spread, you can’t say it’s 100%.

Nothing is.

But it’s better than nothing.

I find it kind of funny that the lawyers here are supporting the vaccine despite it being immune (pun intended) from lawsuits, and the folks who rail about the legal lottery the most complain about that.

The testing protocols for vaccines have bloated bureaucratically over the years.

Smallpox vaccination was wholly unregulated and untested at first. Polio was minimally evaluated before it was rolled out. The speed at which a vaccine is approved really has more to do with the perceived urgency of the problem than anything else.

I get there is a risk with the unknown- but with the huge number of people getting this thing, it’s effectively had a huge short term evaluation, and is probably one of the safest injectable drugs out there.

Long term mRNA effects might pop up, but you would expect to see some of it by now given the numbers- so odds are anything bad will be small numbers.

I’m not big on forcing treatment except in certain unusual circumstance.

Once the folks who want the vaccine have had a chanc0to get it, open things up, and if we need to triage for Covid disease, the antivax crowd should go to the back of the line- since they effectively refused treatment.

Let folks decide. But choices have consequences.



I would say it’s way to soon to know about any long term effects. We have 3 different versions here in the U.S at this time and around 10 different vaccines used throughout other parts of the world. I’m not saying don’t get it and I also am not going to demand someone gets it. People have lost there lives to this virus but the issue is we really don’t know how many the virus actually killed. They counted every death from someone that tested positive as a COVID death. The terminal cancer they have had didn’t kill them, them being 90+ yrs old didn’t do it. I’m not wanting to make light of people that have lost someone during this. The US averages 35-40,000 death from the flu yearly. There have been 581k death from COVID not saying it’s not deadlier than regular flu. Since this started how many people have wore a mask a proper mask and used it properly. Very damn few is the answer you would see bandannas used,tshirts, baclavas. Then you had people actually wearing mask thinking there good. The sars virus is 0.12 microns most people weren’t wearing N95 mask which can filter to 0.1micron. The point is was it as contagious and danerous as they let on too most people. I know I’m going to get my ass eat up over this but I’m a big boy and can take it. Before you do think of how many people you seen with items besides mask on. Those bandannas,tshirts,backlavas etc done nothing if you doubt that go grab one put it on the place hand in front while you breathe. Now let’s hear it stir
11 May 2021, 01:11
Beretta682E
quote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
They used the endpoint they did because it’s easily measured.

How many hundreds of thousands of Covid tests would you have to run to verify not getting the virus?

With COVID, so many have subclinical infections, that’s the only way to prove that it wholly stops infection and transmission.

The results speak for themselves- if you have 95% reduction in disease, the immunity is effective.

Now, all biological systems have differences, so some folks get less immunity than others, and it’s possible that a weak responder could get Covid but have an increased likelihood of subclinical infection- that’s sensible immunology.

So while the vaccine works, and stops spread, you can’t say it’s 100%.

Nothing is.

But it’s better than nothing.

I find it kind of funny that the lawyers here are supporting the vaccine despite it being immune (pun intended) from lawsuits, and the folks who rail about the legal lottery the most complain about that.

The testing protocols for vaccines have bloated bureaucratically over the years.

Smallpox vaccination was wholly unregulated and untested at first. Polio was minimally evaluated before it was rolled out. The speed at which a vaccine is approved really has more to do with the perceived urgency of the problem than anything else.

I get there is a risk with the unknown- but with the huge number of people getting this thing, it’s effectively had a huge short term evaluation, and is probably one of the safest injectable drugs out there.

Long term mRNA effects might pop up, but you would expect to see some of it by now given the numbers- so odds are anything bad will be small numbers.

I’m not big on forcing treatment except in certain unusual circumstance.

Once the folks who want the vaccine have had a chance to get it, open things up, and if we need to triage for Covid disease, the antivax crowd should go to the back of the line- since they effectively refused treatment.

Let folks decide. But choices have consequences.


seriously what do you know - you just have a medical degree or something Big Grin

what you need to get up to speed is on

hydroxy
bleach
uv light
summer heat

only then will you understand the 500k deaths are really crisis actors playing their part.

Mike


Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.

Bernard Baruch
11 May 2021, 01:51
ledvm
I am going to reiterate my point.

I am not anti-vaccination. I am provaccination. I get a flu-shot every September. If I go to the southern hemisphere sometimes I get 2 in a year. I am vaccinated with Moderna for COVID...a month out from second shot here.

My point is two fold:
1) If you are less than 35 and healthy...you virtually have a 0% chance of an untoward outcome from infection. With the huge numbers we have now...this is indisputable. The seasonal flu kills more children.

2) This IS the first-time use of mRNA vaccines. The long-term effects ARE undocumented. There is potential for insidious disease secondary to these vaccines such as auto-immune disease and neoplasia. There are documented syndromes in animals of both from vaccines used in them.

Just like Dr. Butler stated...they will likely be few and far between.

That said...when you are young and healthy with the whole rest of your life to live...facing a threat from a virus unlikely to cause you harm (stats show that in <35 yo)...it is still a crap shoot which way to go.

A people running around screaming their heads off about how dangerous the virus is even for the young and healthy...just doesn't make it so. Follow the science and do the math. Young and healthy have little risk. Primary school age children and younger are at more risk from influenza virus.

The reservoir argument also does not make sense as this virus will with all likely hood will be endemic for eternity just like one of the common cold viruses (hCoV-OC43) when it crossed from cattle in the 19th century. SARS CoV-2 is here to stay. You will be exposed from time to time the rest of your life...regardless of how many people get vaccinated or not.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM
Hunter/Conservationist

DSC Life Member
NRA Life Member
APHA Honorary Member

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans. – Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
11 May 2021, 01:58
ledvm
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
...opinions are shaped more by his politics than his views of medicine and science.


You are correct about one thing. Politics has had more influence on what is said about this disease than science and statistics.

All you have to do is read the opinions above.

Me??? I just follow the numbers...math does not lie or change with political views.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM
Hunter/Conservationist

DSC Life Member
NRA Life Member
APHA Honorary Member

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans. – Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
11 May 2021, 02:25
MJines
. . . speaking of studies, math, science and statistics, share with us the study (as opposed to just another Easter rumination) that supports your view that persons under 35 are at greater risk from being vaccinated than from Covid.

coffee


Mike
11 May 2021, 02:38
Beretta682E
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
. . . speaking of studies, math, science and statistics, share with us the study (as opposed to just another Easter rumination) that supports your view that persons under 35 are at greater risk from being vaccinated than from Covid.

coffee


you will never see any cause there is no data supporting lane constant bs spouting on covid.

novavax, biontech, moderna with mrna vaccine have and will save millions of lives, revolutionize medicine and create billionaire scientists. i want to see what lane has done relative to these scientific revolutionaries.

i am also betting most of the mrna pioneers will win noble prizes.

there are over 260 mil vaccines given in the us already.

pfizer will be approved for children soon.

Mike


Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.

Bernard Baruch
11 May 2021, 02:50
Beretta682E
pfizer approved for 12-15 year olds.

everyone over 12 can be vaccinated.

Mike


Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.

Bernard Baruch