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Nov 13th 2008
From The Economist print edition

Political parties die from the head down

JOHN STUART MILL once dismissed the British Conservative Party as the stupid party. Today the Conservative Party is run by Oxford-educated high-fliers who have been busy reinventing conservatism for a new era. As Lexington sees it, the title of the “stupid party” now belongs to the Tories’ transatlantic cousins, the Republicans.

There are any number of reasons for the Republican Party’s defeat on November 4th. But high on the list is the fact that the party lost the battle for brains. Barack Obama won college graduates by two points, a group that George Bush won by six points four years ago. He won voters with postgraduate degrees by 18 points. And he won voters with a household income of more than $200,000—many of whom will get thumped by his tax increases—by six points. John McCain did best among uneducated voters in Appalachia and the South.

The Republicans lost the battle of ideas even more comprehensively than they lost the battle for educated votes, marching into the election armed with nothing more than slogans. Energy? Just drill, baby, drill. Global warming? Crack a joke about Ozone Al. Immigration? Send the bums home. Torture and Guantánamo? Wear a T-shirt saying you would rather be water-boarding. Ha ha. During the primary debates, three out of ten Republican candidates admitted that they did not believe in evolution.

The Republican Party’s divorce from the intelligentsia has been a while in the making. The born-again Mr Bush preferred listening to his “heart” rather than his “head”. He also filled the government with incompetent toadies like Michael “heck-of-a-job” Brown, who bungled the response to Hurricane Katrina. Mr McCain, once the chattering classes’ favourite Republican, refused to grapple with the intricacies of the financial meltdown, preferring instead to look for cartoonish villains. And in a desperate attempt to serve boob bait to Bubba, he appointed Sarah Palin to his ticket, a woman who took five years to get a degree in journalism, and who was apparently unaware of some of the most rudimentary facts about international politics.

Republicanism’s anti-intellectual turn is devastating for its future. The party’s electoral success from 1980 onwards was driven by its ability to link brains with brawn. The conservative intelligentsia not only helped to craft a message that resonated with working-class Democrats, a message that emphasised entrepreneurialism, law and order, and American pride. It also provided the party with a sweeping policy agenda. The party’s loss of brains leaves it rudderless, without a compelling agenda.

This is happening at a time when the American population is becoming more educated. More than a quarter of Americans now have university degrees. Twenty per cent of households earn more than $100,000 a year, up from 16% in 1996. Mark Penn, a Democratic pollster, notes that 69% call themselves “professionals”. McKinsey, a management consultancy, argues that the number of jobs requiring “tacit” intellectual skills has increased three times as fast as employment in general. The Republican Party’s current “redneck strategy” will leave it appealing to a shrinking and backward-looking portion of the electorate.

Why is this happening? One reason is that conservative brawn has lost patience with brains of all kinds, conservative or liberal. Many conservatives—particularly lower-income ones—are consumed with elemental fury about everything from immigration to liberal do-gooders. They take their opinions from talk-radio hosts such as Rush Limbaugh and the deeply unsubtle Sean Hannity. And they regard Mrs Palin’s apparent ignorance not as a problem but as a badge of honour.

Another reason is the degeneracy of the conservative intelligentsia itself, a modern-day version of the 1970s liberals it arose to do battle with: trapped in an ideological cocoon, defined by its outer fringes, ruled by dynasties and incapable of adjusting to a changed world. The movement has little to say about today’s pressing problems, such as global warming and the debacle in Iraq, and expends too much of its energy on xenophobia, homophobia and opposing stem-cell research.

Conservative intellectuals are also engaged in their own version of what Julian Benda dubbed la trahison des clercs, the treason of the learned. They have fallen into constructing cartoon images of “real Americans”, with their “volkish” wisdom and charming habit of dropping their “g”s. Mrs Palin was invented as a national political force by Beltway journalists from the Weekly Standard and the National Review who met her when they were on luxury cruises around Alaska, and then noisily championed her cause.

Time for reflection

How likely is it that the Republican Party will come to its senses? There are glimmers of hope. Business conservatives worry that the party has lost the business vote. Moderates complain that the Republicans are becoming the party of “white-trash pride”. Anonymous McCain aides complain that Mrs Palin was a campaign-destroying “whack job”. One of the most encouraging signs is the support for giving the chairmanship of the Republican Party to John Sununu, a sensible and clever man who has the added advantage of coming from the north-east (he lost his New Hampshire Senate seat on November 4th).

But the odds in favour of an imminent renaissance look long. Many conservatives continue to think they lost because they were not conservative or populist enough—Mr McCain, after all, was an amnesty-loving green who refused to make an issue out of Mr Obama’s associations with Jeremiah Wright. Richard Weaver, one of the founders of modern conservatism, once wrote a book entitled “Ideas have Consequences”; unfortunately, too many Republicans are still refusing to acknowledge that idiocy has consequences, too.
 
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Barack Obama won college graduates by two points, a group that George Bush won by six points four years ago



Bush is smarter than McCain?

2 points among college graduates...color me unimpressed.




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Obama: "It would be foolish, at such a critical time in our history, to pick people who had no experience."

New Commander In Chief of the United States:

"I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated," Obama told O'Reilly in an interview taped Thursday in York, PA. "It's succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."

Barack, a foreign policy failure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCgPR3Qd2Os

Barack, I've got a bracelet too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRsjkkmnPcU&NR=1
 
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Bush is smarter than McCain?

No, doofus. After 8 years of Bush, college graduates now support the Democrats.
 
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Moderates complain that the Republicans are becoming the party of “white-trash pride”.

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Bush is smarter than McCain?

No, doofus. After 8 years of Bush, college graduates now support the Democrats.


8 years?

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a group that George Bush won by six points four years ago


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Obama: "It would be foolish, at such a critical time in our history, to pick people who had no experience."

New Commander In Chief of the United States:

"I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated," Obama told O'Reilly in an interview taped Thursday in York, PA. "It's succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."

Barack, a foreign policy failure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCgPR3Qd2Os

Barack, I've got a bracelet too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRsjkkmnPcU&NR=1
 
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Bush is smarter than McCain?

No, doofus. After 8 years of Bush, college graduates now support the Democrats.


and I bet if you asked the same ones did it bother them that Obummer was born in Kenya, 90% + would respond NO... clueless that you have to be an American Born Citizen to be President..

and many of them polled don't have a clue who Nancy Pelosi is even....

so you call this a revelation Sponged Bob?

Liberals have made it 'en Vogue' to hate George Bush.. although most of these idiotic kids can't give you reason one for it, unless they are repeating something they heard someone else say...of which they are clueless to the validity of the claim also... homer

Might as well tell us who is the most popular among 8 year olds... 8... 18..28..38.. most dumocrat supporters are no more informed or astute than the 8 year olds would be...


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8 years?

What, you think that because college graduates voted for Bush four years ago, that means he wasn't President before then? You're just full of faulty logic tonight.
 
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8 years?

What, you think that because college graduates voted for Bush four years ago, that means he wasn't President before then? You're just full of faulty logic tonight.


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The original story was 4 years ago Bush got 6% more of the College Educated vote than Kerry.

Now McCain gets 2% less of the College vote the Obama.

It doesn't say how much of the College vote Bush got 8 years ago.


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8 years?

What, you think that because college graduates voted for Bush four years ago, that means he wasn't President before then? You're just full of faulty logic tonight.


No, he's just pretending to be smarter than you. popcorn


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8 years?

What, you think that because college graduates voted for Bush four years ago, that means he wasn't President before then? You're just full of faulty logic tonight.


Info

The original story was 4 years ago Bush got 6% more of the College Educated vote than Kerry.

Now McCain gets 2% less of the College vote the Obama.

It doesn't say how much of the College vote Bush got 8 years ago.

So? Nobody was even talking about how much of the college graduate vote Bush got 8 years ago. I said that after 8 years of Bush, college graduates now support the Democrats. That is true if Bush has been President for 8 years (okay, 7 years, 10 months) and college graduates now support the Democrats. The truth value of my statement has absolutely no dependence on whether college graduates voted for Bush 8 years ago or not.
 
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Bush is smarter than McCain?

No, doofus. After 8 years of Bush, college graduates now support the Democrats.


So what you're trying to say iSponge is that the book learned, no real life experience, liberal, social climber wannabees are now leaning to Obama? Shock surprise, the inexperienced, booklearned MBA's are the "people" that put the US in this situation (yes, they've been breeding for a few decades now). Why shouldn't they be for the most liberal/socialist representatives that have existed on earth to date?

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So what you're trying to say iSponge is that the book learned, no real life experience, liberal, social climber wannabees are now leaning to Obama?

Wow! What college did you attend?
 
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8 years?

What, you think that because college graduates voted for Bush four years ago, that means he wasn't President before then? You're just full of faulty logic tonight.


Who said he wasn't president before then? Faulty logic seems to be your strength.

What percentage did they vote for him in 2000?




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Obama: "It would be foolish, at such a critical time in our history, to pick people who had no experience."

New Commander In Chief of the United States:

"I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated," Obama told O'Reilly in an interview taped Thursday in York, PA. "It's succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."

Barack, a foreign policy failure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCgPR3Qd2Os

Barack, I've got a bracelet too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRsjkkmnPcU&NR=1
 
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What percentage did they vote for him in 2000?

I don't care.
 
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What percentage did they vote for him in 2000?

I don't care.


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So what you're trying to say iSponge is that the book learned, no real life experience, liberal, social climber wannabees are now leaning to Obama?

Wow! What college did you attend?


None, he voted for McCain.

That's why he failed reading comprehension.

To him, educated mean no life experience. To him, education doesn't mean you expand your horizons, broaden your prospective, have new experiences, and develop a greater understanding of the world.

Its better not to go for higher education and make a living doing what yer daddy did.

As the rest of the world flies right past us because they are becoming more educated than we are.
 
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So what you're trying to say iSponge is that the book learned, no real life experience, liberal, social climber wannabees are now leaning to Obama?

Wow! What college did you attend?


Several actually iSponge. MIT, Berkely (waaaay to liberal for me) and a hand full of others while I was in the military. You?

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What percentage did they vote for him in 2000?

I don't care.


You mean "I don't know".

How can you say there has been a decrease over 8 years, if you only know the numbers of the last 4? You can't.

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More faulty logic tonight? Idiocy has Consequences.




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Obama: "It would be foolish, at such a critical time in our history, to pick people who had no experience."

New Commander In Chief of the United States:

"I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated," Obama told O'Reilly in an interview taped Thursday in York, PA. "It's succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."

Barack, a foreign policy failure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCgPR3Qd2Os

Barack, I've got a bracelet too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRsjkkmnPcU&NR=1
 
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No, I mean I don't care.

I didn't say there has been a decrease over 8 years.
 
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So what you're trying to say iSponge is that the book learned, no real life experience, liberal, social climber wannabees are now leaning to Obama?

Wow! What college did you attend?


Several actually iSponge. MIT, Berkely (waaaay to liberal for me) and a hand full of others while I was in the military. You?

Ken....


I apologize for my post then. I didn't realize you were one of those "book learned" people with no life experience.
 
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So what you're trying to say iSponge is that the book learned, no real life experience, liberal, social climber wannabees are now leaning to Obama?

Wow! What college did you attend?


Several actually iSponge. MIT, Berkely (waaaay to liberal for me) and a hand full of others while I was in the military. You?

Ken....


I apologize for my post then. I didn't realize you were one of those "book learned" people with no life experience.


No problem 6, I have 40 years of real world experience after those "book learned" years. You?

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