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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

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farmers vote for slavery, Corruption, Misogyny and worse?

Shanks

Again you miss the context. It is American mostly.

If you read a bit of history you will know very soon that the US Civil War was started around slavery. Much after the war, the Confederated tried to sanitise it by claiming that it was about state right.

That Civil War was largely driven by the farmers & plantation owners.

That core foundation still continues in the US. The same regions objected to getting rid of the Confederate flag.

In NZ you know our history a lot better, or should. You know that in the past it was mostly rural areas that had anti Maori sentiments. Look at the history of our politics. Maori mostly were on the Left while past National leaders often stoked anti Maori sentiment - like Don Brash during my time. I know that you personally do not fit in that slot. far from it. I know how your community lives ( a bit) and I know that you personally serve that community with many Maori in a commendable way. My comment was broadly at the right wing parties and groups.

Back to the US. Trump and many of his group are racists and misogynists. Very poor representation of minorities or women in his administration. republicans ALWAYS oppose equal pay for women. Poll stats and demographics show us the same. We do not see the same problems to the same extent in NZ. We are far more diverse and egalitarian.

Was the language & tone of my statement inflammatory? yes. Was the core essence of my point valid? Absolutely.

Just look at the neo nazi and white supremacists supporting Trump. THAT is the "worse". Did you know that such sentiments and groups are also getting established in NZ? Small but they are here. Why do decent people vote along side such dregs of society? Would you call a person or a party that panders to such groups as a core base a credible party or credible people?

You will not understand somethings. When the Christchurch shooting happened, I was devastated for many reasons. I was in shock for days. Mainly because the innocence of NZ had been attacked by this right wing evil from overseas. I have a lot of faith in our country and its people. But another thought kicked me in the guts. If I had been walking along the street in Christchurch with my family at that time, we would all be dead!

Again - you are missing the context AND the perspective.

When I tell you that I have studied this stuff, i mean it.

In the 1970s, the main right wing academic schools of thought centered around defending Capitalism, defending colonialism and perpetuating a colonial view of "third world" countries.

In the last 50 years you have more than 2000 fake "universities", think tanks, "research organisations" etc. who have spent trillions in amassing a huge body of so called research and talking points that are Right wing BS. They have been cross referencing each other for 50 years to make it look credible. Now you see all these politicians referring to such fake BS from heritage foundation, Britebart and QAnon as valid facts! An entire generation has been brought up on this!

I find that vile and evil. Unfortunately 74 ,million people voted for that side without understanding the deep core foundations and values involved.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Shanks

I have decided to call you out on your blatant dishonesty and hateful spewing. No I am NOT going to abuse you but here are the facts.

1. I posted historical facts to give you the context about your earlier allegation of my comments about the Right and slavery etc. No you do not want to read it, acknowledge the facts or admit the connection. It has a lot to do with why historically rural folk have voted conservative. That is US history and YOU are the one trying to evade the facts.
2. It was YOU who brought in religion in the first place a few post ago and accused me of prejudice towards the Right based on religion. It was only AFTER your post that I gave my views on my personal faith and referenced another article. My comments were not about another religion but about the misuse of Christian labels by the Right. Again you refuse to do the research or read the arguments to understand the complex issues.
3. It is YOU who brought up the race topic. Not me. I then gave the historical references.

It is obvious to me that
1. You have lost all perspective. May be you had no clue even before you posted?
2. You have no recollection of the logical steps and you are just lashing out
3. You cannot accept that many of the facts I pointed out are stinging you and so you are again lashing out.
4. I maintain my position and you cannot do anything but "let me get away with it". You have no power, no authority and no fact based argument. Just abuse and anger.

I am finished with you.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Good bye naki. This time I'm going to let you go.
It's all you have left.

Your bluster is not fooling a single person.
You have just made yourself look pathetic.

As was your use of a tragedy that had no place in this conversation. Or the way you used it.

Your myopic view of the world is also clouded by your hate.
Bigotry hasn't got worse in the last 50 years, the world including America and NZ have improved dramatically for fairness and acceptance. Culturally, Gender wise, and economically. No ones perfect and a long way to go yet. But the image you paint is demonstrably incorrect.
As is your characterisation of generally ordinary decent people because they choose a party you despise for reasons you don't seem to understand or willing to accept.

Do democrats ever question why? If they are like you, then obviously no.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Shanks

What world are you in man? You are comparing NZ with the US. We are socially in opposite sides of the spectrum. NZ has move a long way and I have seen it for 28 years and I am so proud of it.

On the other hand American society has become polarised. Hate crimes have increased in the last 30 years. The Republican party has moved further and further to the Right. This is not just me saying it. Most political analysts in the US say so.

The Democratic Party has also moved Right. Clinton & Biden were the ones who engineered the 3 strikes law that has incarcerated petty offenders for life! Harris had a hand in it to.

I've already posted that people like Warren & sanders are no more "Left" than most West European leaders.

Oh, you don't like history lessons. I keep forgetting.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Good bye naki. This time I'm going to let you go.
It's all you have left.

Your bluster is not fooling a single person.
You have just made yourself look pathetic.

As was your use of a tragedy that had no place in this conversation. Or the way you used it.

Your myopic view of the world is also clouded by your hate.
Bigotry hasn't got worse in the last 50 years, the world including America and NZ have improved dramatically for fairness and acceptance. Culturally, Gender wise, and economically. No ones perfect and a long way to go yet. But the image you paint is demonstrably incorrect.
As is your characterisation of generally ordinary decent people because they choose a party you despise for reasons you don't seem to understand or willing to accept.

Do democrats ever question why? If they are like you, then obviously no.