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As I said, Joebiden Harris and the rest of the lunatic fringe don't have to ban guns. Simply impose taxes and regulations that make it unattractive to impossible to own and/or manufacture them.

Break out the checkbook.

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Report: Biden's Gun Tax Plan Would Cost Gun Owners $34 Billion

BY RICK MORAN NOV 18, 2020 1:50 PM ET

Joe Biden’s plan to tax gun owners for the right to keep and bear arms could reach as high as $34 billion, according to an analysis by the Washington Free Beacon.

On the campaign trail, Biden made several promises relating to guns that he is going to have a hard time getting through Congress. Assigning liability for gun deaths to manufacturers is only the tip of the iceberg. Biden’s far-reaching program would drive online gun retailers out of business, which would include retailers selling gun supplies. It would force owners of AR-15s and other similar weapons to either sell them or register them with the government — paying $200 for the privilege.

The plan appears to harass and punish gun owners and manufacturers — simply because liberals hate guns.

Biden wants to ban new sales of AR-15 rifles and similar firearms as well as any ammunition magazine holding more than 10 rounds—sizes that come standard on most modern rifles and handguns. He would pay some owners to surrender the affected guns they legally own and force everyone else to register the guns under the National Firearms Act. The proposal would require owners to pay a $200 tax stamp for each item.

The report said the kinds of rifles Biden wants to ban made up nearly half of all rifles produced in 2018. Oliva said the group’s estimates may actually be undercounts. While NSSF used the latest Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives manufacturer reports, those only cover up to 2018, and Oliva said AR-15s have continued to grow in popularity since then.

An entire industry is under threat. How many small gun shops will be able to survive such restrictions? Gun manufacturers may as well declare bankruptcy now if Biden gets his way and is able to hold manufacturers responsible for some gang banger’s murder. States, cities, and private citizens will line up with their eyes lit up with dollar signs for the opportunity to reach into some deep pockets.

The report, which was released Monday, also found that 11.4 million firearms were made or imported into the United States in 2018. A further 9.3 million were made or imported in 2019. That brings the total number of firearms on the American market between 1991 and 2019 up to nearly 214 million.

Oliva said those numbers, combined with the fact that Americans increasingly favor AR-15s and other rifles targeted by Biden and gun-control advocates, are evidence the country is not interested in strict new gun laws.

“America’s attitude on gun control is shifting more toward the idea that we need to protect our rights and away from the idea we need government control of our destiny,” he said.

So why is Biden looking to crack down so heavily? The simple answer is that his biggest supporters are demanding it. Liberal blacks and other far left minorities, radical socialists, and liberal Democrats all agree that attacking gun owners and manufacturers is politically feasible. They aren’t stupid enough to believe the violence will let up one iota if they’re successful. But that’s not what this is about.

Gun owners are their political opponents. Sticking it to gun owners will help “transform” America. Disarming citizens will make people far more dependent on the government for protection, and thus, more dependent overall.

This is an issue where the slippery slope is clearly in view. And the left makes no effort to hide their ultimate goal of disarming every law-abiding citizen who owns a gun.


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More feel-good bullshit from Dems.
Joe Kamal's proposals will have little impact on crime, but will only burden the law-abiding.
Typical.


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Hard to believe the leftards on this site support that fucking bullshit.
 
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You idiots, we don’t support such a thing. In fact there is no such proposed tax. Fools buy into the propaganda posted by that lying bitch, Opie.
 
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You idiots, we don’t support such a thing. In fact there is no such proposed tax. Fools buy into the propaganda posted by that lying bitch, Opie.



Read Biden’s website you fuckwit: https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#



What do you think putting guns under NFA will do?


Let’s hear it, smart guy....


In the meantime, here’s your new president:


Joe Biden knows that gun violence is a public health epidemic. Almost 40,000 people die as a result of firearm injuries every year in the United States, and many more are wounded. Some of these deaths and injuries are the result of mass shootings that make national headlines. Others are the result of daily acts of gun violence or suicides that may not make national headlines, but are just as devastating to the families and communities left behind.
Joe Biden has taken on the National Rifle Association (NRA) on the national stage and won – twice. In 1993, he shepherded through Congress the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, which established the background check system that has since kept more than 3 million firearms out of dangerous hands. In 1994, Biden – along with Senator Dianne Feinstein – secured the passage of 10-year bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. As president, Joe Biden will defeat the NRA again.
Joe Biden also knows how to make progress on reducing gun violence using executive action. After the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, President Obama tasked Vice President Biden with developing both legislative proposals and executive actions to make our communities safer. As a result of this effort, the Obama-Biden Administration took more than two dozen actions, including narrowing the so-called “gun show loophole,” increasing the number of records in the background check system, and expanding funding for mental health services.
It’s within our grasp to end our gun violence epidemic and respect the Second Amendment, which is limited. As president, Biden will pursue constitutional, common-sense gun safety policies. Biden will:
Hold gun manufacturers accountable. In 2005, then-Senator Biden voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, but gun manufacturers successfully lobbied Congress to secure its passage. This law protects these manufacturers from being held civilly liable for their products – a protection granted to no other industry. Biden will prioritize repealing this protection.
Get weapons of war off our streets. The bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that Biden, along with Senator Feinstein, secured in 1994 reduced the lethality of mass shootings. But, in order to secure the passage of the bans, they had to agree to a 10-year sunset provision and when the time came, the Bush Administration failed to extend them. As president, Biden will:
Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans. For example, the ban on assault weapons will be designed to prevent manufacturers from circumventing the law by making minor changes that don’t limit the weapon’s lethality. While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons.
Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals possessing machine-guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles to undergo a background check and register those weapons with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Due to these requirements, such weapons are rarely used in crimes. As president, Biden will pursue legislation to regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.
Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act.
Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.
 
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The bottom line, the overwhelming majority of liberals have no clue who or what they just voted for.

Welcome to the low information voter...

2020


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The bottom line, the overwhelming majority of liberals have no clue who or what they just voted for.

Welcome to the low information voter...

2020


The bottom line is 7 million more Americans voted for Biden than voted for Trump.

Elections have consequences, remember?
 
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Some of these deaths and injuries are the result of mass shootings that make national headlines. Others are the result of daily acts of gun violence or suicides that may not make national headlines, but are just as devastating to the families and communities left behind.


And some are police doing their jobs, well or poorly.

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Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons.


Kind of like Bush 43 did...

How do we contribute to the Georgia Senate races? Anybody got a web site?


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The bottom line, the overwhelming majority of liberals have no clue who or what they just voted for.

Welcome to the low information voter...

2020


The bottom line is 7 million more Americans voted for Biden than voted for Trump.

Elections have consequences, remember?



Pretty sad the consequences leftard “gun owners” voted for. Gun control means not shooting yourself in the foot.

Dumbasses.
 
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Originally posted by Opus1:
The bottom line, the overwhelming majority of liberals have no clue who or what they just voted for.

Welcome to the low information voter...

2020


The bottom line is 7 million more Americans voted for Biden than voted for Trump.

Elections have consequences, remember?



Pretty sad the consequences leftard “gun owners” voted for. Gun control means not shooting yourself in the foot.

Dumbasses.


None of those changes will have an effect on me.

If I decide I need an AR I'll simply take one from a member of Meal Team Six, because at that point the shooting has started and "field requisition" isn't theft.
 
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The bottom line, the overwhelming majority of liberals have no clue who or what they just voted for.

Welcome to the low information voter...

2020


Truth!

And the idiot "republican never trumpers" as well!
 
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Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by Opus1:
The bottom line, the overwhelming majority of liberals have no clue who or what they just voted for.

Welcome to the low information voter...

2020


The bottom line is 7 million more Americans voted for Biden than voted for Trump.

Elections have consequences, remember?



Pretty sad the consequences leftard “gun owners” voted for. Gun control means not shooting yourself in the foot.

Dumbasses.


None of those changes will have an effect on me.

If I decide I need an AR I'll simply take one from a member of Meal Team Six, because at that point the shooting has started and "field requisition" isn't theft.


Such a bad ass jeffie is!!!!!!

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Biden wants to ban new sales of AR-15 rifles and similar firearms as well as any ammunition magazine holding more than 10 rounds—sizes that come standard on most modern rifles and handguns


Banning magazines holding over ten rounds? Which President came up with that idea?
 
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And there you have it....
 
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None of those changes will have an effect on me.

If I decide I need an AR I'll simply take one from a member of Meal Team Six, because at that point the shooting has started and "field requisition" isn't theft.


And that's the difference between your type and the rest of us. We DO care and we DO give a damn regardless of our selfish personal desires.


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Originally posted by Jefffive:
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Originally posted by Opus1:
The bottom line, the overwhelming majority of liberals have no clue who or what they just voted for.

Welcome to the low information voter...

2020


The bottom line is 7 million more Americans voted for Biden than voted for Trump.

Elections have consequences, remember?



Pretty sad the consequences leftard “gun owners” voted for. Gun control means not shooting yourself in the foot.

Dumbasses.


None of those changes will have an effect on me.

If I decide I need an AR I'll simply take one from a member of Meal Team Six, because at that point the shooting has started and "field requisition" isn't theft.


Such a bad ass jeffie is!!!!!!

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I don't think I'll have to get my badass card out of my wallet...

 
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"None of those changes will have an effect on me."

Words spoken by every "slippery slope" denier ever.

I don't own a single AR or AK, but know when others' rights are infringed, mine are not far behind.


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It’s $200 a gun. Just own quality high dollar guns where paying the tax makes economic sense.

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I don’t have a need for a cartridge that has more than 3,000 FPE so anything that does should be banned.
 
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I think Jefffive has taken over from Magine as the most far left person on AR.

Funny how lefties are ashamed of being lefties which is why they love the word "progressive". AOC is not a lefty just very progressive animal
 
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I don’t have a need for a cartridge that has more than 3,000 FPE so anything that does should be banned.


I want to ban anything smaller than a .416 bolt rifle and of course all Blasers.


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$1,000 tax on Blasers and $50 fine in you call it a Blazer.
 
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It’s $200 a gun. Just own quality high dollar guns where paying the tax makes economic sense.

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Does not excessive taxation infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.


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"None of those changes will have an effect on me."

Words spoken by every "slippery slope" denier ever.

I don't own a single AR or AK, but know when others' rights are infringed, mine are not far behind.


We had that exact same thing in Australia in 1996. The worse offenders were "the elite" sambar deer hunters and also Pacific chapter of SCI and other similar groups.

But guess what, they were thinking SKS etc. but ban went to 12 Gauge top end semi auto, 22 rimfire semi auto then all the difficulties imposed to buy even a Ruger #1 in a small calibre.

The Blaser was initially on the hit list because of barrel changing, that's right, the Blasers. The Blaser was saves as we were able to get things fixed with switch barrel bolt action rifles and so that picked up the Blasers. However, the elite Blaser crew thought they were immune but save by us uneducated and unwashed filth with our switch barrel rifles for things like 6mm/06 and 270 etc.
 
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It’s $200 a gun. Just own quality high dollar guns where paying the tax makes economic sense.

Mike


Does not excessive taxation infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.



More rights for rich people. It’s e American way get use to it Wink

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Could my great grandfather's 1873 Winchester with its 14 round tube magazine be banned or is only detachable mags?


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Could my great grandfather's 1873 Winchester with its 14 round tube magazine be banned or is only detachable mags?


Under Federal Law it's not a firearm. No worries.
 
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Could my great grandfather's 1873 Winchester with its 14 round tube magazine be banned or is only detachable mags?


Under Federal Law it's not a firearm. No worries.



So any "firearm" could end on the list.
 
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The bottom line, the overwhelming majority of liberals have no clue who or what they just voted for.

Welcome to the low information voter...

2020


Truth!

And the idiot "republican never trumpers" as well!


Remember how things would get so much better under Trump mate? rotflmo

How's the infection rate in Texas?
 
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Rumor is Biden and Harris will issues executive orders requiring intelligence test and basic science and math tests for reloading Big Grin


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The bottom line, the overwhelming majority of liberals have no clue who or what they just voted for.

Welcome to the low information voter...

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The bottom line is 7 million more Americans voted for Biden than voted for Trump.

Elections have consequences, remember?


When Bush and Clinton did their bans, there were several million fewer ARs in private hands.

The number of AR owners is higher than the number of votes that put Biden in office.


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Thank you Trump!

The perfect arsehole, gave you lot the perfect gift.

Commie Kamala! rotflmo


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HMMM, oh well, I guess we can all follow the liberals lead in "HE's NOT My PRESIDENT" + refuse to follow any of his/her rules. That BS is a hollow threat from that admin. As my son said, "Let's see, the ones that have no guns are wanting to take away ours + also don't know what bathroom to use." What a platform.


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I just love all the "He's not coming after our guns" prognostications.

Oh the lies we tell ourselves. Roll Eyes


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Oh the lies we tell ourselves.


Be nice if you would listen to yourself regarding Trump! rotflmo


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And what lies are those...


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And what lies are those...


Let us start by I WON THE ELECTION! rotflmo


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Ummmmm I never told myself or anyone else for that matter that Trump had won.

I am waiting for each State to certify the vote, for the GSA to certify the State votes and for the EC to cast their votes. Then we will know for a fact who won the election.


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Beaten by Alzheimer riddled Joe, and Commie Kamala.

What could possibly be worse?

Come January all hell will break loose, with courts demanding he comes clean.

May be even starting with his secret Chinese bank account.

Installed by Putin, removed by the Commies.

Bloody unbelievable! rotflmo


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