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WTB-pure lead
29 November 2015, 23:38
ledvmWTB-pure lead
I want to cast some pure led bullets to paper patch and shoot in my muzzle loader. I need pure lead to be soft enough to size through my size die and not tear off the paper jacket.
Where can I obtain some pure lead?
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30 November 2015, 02:12
NorsemanPerhaps post this question on the Cast Bullets forum on Accuratereloading?
30 November 2015, 04:29
GatogordoI certainly don't claim to be an expert on the process but as I understand it, you put the paper patch on AFTER sizing the bullet and then after the patch has dried (if you use some kind of damping of the paper), then you seat it in case.
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30 November 2015, 04:34
GrenadierCast, size, patch, lube is what I was told. I know that's how it's done with metallic cartridges.
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30 November 2015, 04:42
GatogordoBTW, to answer your question, rotometals will sell and send free all the lead you can use as long as you buy their minimum free shipping amount, which is currently roughly 60 pounds of 99.9% pig lead. They are selling a 55 pound ingot for $80, requires $99 purchase for free shipping.
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30 November 2015, 10:47
cal pappasIn the past, I've gone to junk or auto salvage yards and they have been happy to give me old auto batteries. The plates are very soft lead, but I don't know if it is "pure" or not.
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01 December 2015, 00:10
theback40I have some ingots I cast from old cable sheathing. Very soft, but I cant tell you if it is pure lead or not.
01 December 2015, 22:15
ledvmquote:
Originally posted by Norseman:
Perhaps post this question on the Cast Bullets forum on Accuratereloading?
Yep...I see I messed up now. Thank you!
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J. Lane Easter, DVM
A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
01 December 2015, 22:45
ledvmquote:
Originally posted by Grenadier:
Cast, size, patch, lube is what I was told. I know that's how it's done with metallic cartridges.
I am no expert for sure...in fact...I am just attempting. But I am trying to follow Idaho Ron's (from here on AR) method and he resizes the bullet with the patch on for muzzle-loader use. And some people do for cartridges as well.
Here is his video on his method.
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J. Lane Easter, DVM
A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
04 December 2015, 17:37
K EvansLane: I've bought "plumbers lead", which is supposed to be almost pure, from Gold Metal Recyclers on S Lamar in Dallas.n There is a Gold Metals location in Gainesvill on FM 371 (I think), maybe you can get it there as well.
Karl Evans
15 December 2015, 06:27
Idaho Sharpshooter www.roto-metals.com22 December 2015, 00:56
Huviusquote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Grenadier:
Cast, size, patch, lube is what I was told. I know that's how it's done with metallic cartridges.
I am no expert for sure...in fact...I am just attempting. But I am trying to follow Idaho Ron's (from here on AR) method and he resizes the bullet with the patch on for muzzle-loader use. And some people do for cartridges as well.
Here is his video on his method.
I use the same bullet for two ML rifles and size for both before and after patching using Lee dies.
The paper is surprisingly durable.
27 December 2015, 19:28
ledvmquote:
Originally posted by K Evans:
Lane: I've bought "plumbers lead", which is supposed to be almost pure, from Gold Metal Recyclers on S Lamar in Dallas.n There is a Gold Metals location in Gainesvill on FM 371 (I think), maybe you can get it there as well.
Thank you Karl! I will check on that. I drive by there everyday.
'theback40' sent me some ingots that I think will be just right!
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J. Lane Easter, DVM
A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
25 January 2016, 22:23
drhall762It shows up over at Cast Boolits in the Sell and Swap section fairly often.
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22 February 2016, 06:58
tomahawkerTire shops
22 February 2016, 08:31
craigsterquote:
Originally posted by tomahawker:
Tire shops
Can pretty much guarantee you won't be finding any pure lead in a tire shop
22 February 2016, 21:04
tomahawkerDidnt know they weren't pure lead, one close to me has buckets of weights laying about
23 February 2016, 07:57
craigsterSnag 'em if you can! Wheel weights are great for most cast bullet applications, other than those calling for pure lead. Wheel weights are pretty much an alloy of lead, tin, and antimony.
23 February 2016, 20:44
Idaho Sharpshooterexcept the new ones. Many have zinc in them now.
I ran into a problem last fall. The company that supplies the local tire shops is now requiring the shops to turn at least 90% of the old ones when they order new. EPA at work, I suspect.
Rich
25 February 2016, 17:19
Huviusquote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
except the new ones. Many have zinc in them now.
I ran into a problem last fall. The company that supplies the local tire shops is now requiring the shops to turn at least 90% of the old ones when they order new. EPA at work, I suspect.
Rich
My guess is that is really just a way for the supplier to replenish their raw materials cheaply and the tire co. gets the old weights taken away by the same guy delivering.
I finally bit the bullet and ordered pure and some aloys from rotometals.
I noticed that the best bet for pure clean lead at any scrap yard or recycler is stained glass window leading. The lead flashing and pipes I have been using have a lot of contaminants in them and unless you have a pretty big pot, it is a lot of work getting the lead clean and you still don't know what you truly have.
25 February 2016, 21:08
Doublessquote:
Originally posted by craigster:
quote:
Originally posted by tomahawker:
Tire shops
Can pretty much guarantee you won't be finding any pure lead in a tire shop
I guess they are gone now, but I always thought the stick-on weights that were in vogue when alloy wheels first came out were pure lead. They aren't? And I am not being sarcastic; I sincerely don't know...
26 February 2016, 08:51
craigsterThey were, but have been "phasing out" for quite a while now. I think (?) they're mostly a zinc alloy or coated steel now.
29 February 2016, 04:20
OTTOMATICHere you go. but Shipping will probably cost $$$
http://panamacity.craigslist.org/spo/5421756859.htmlI use this all the time:
http://www.searchtempest.com/I remembered I have dive weights but I use them when I do double hose vintage diving.
That's how I found mine
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02 March 2016, 16:36
ZephyrGood friend went to a ship yard bought a old beat up broken day sailer for parts, found 200+lbs of lead in the keel that he sold for scrap.
Just thinkin
03 March 2016, 03:37
DoublessI have seen several old sailboats sitting around with for sale signs on them. The issue is, I don't know how you would get one moved, and then, how to cut up a solid block of lead that might weigh several thousand pounds...!
05 March 2016, 04:36
GatogordoPlenty of lead will be available in Flint, Mi. I just heard on the news today that they're starting to replace the first of 8000 home lead line water connections today for a projected cost of $50 Million or something over $6000 per connection. Our government at work.
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When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere.
NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR.
I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process.
18 March 2016, 21:07
Pa.FrankBe careful of old car batteries. Anything newer than say around 1980, will contain Cadmium which is pretty toxic stuff.
and Wheel weights, many of the new ones contain Zinc. I didn't know this and ruined a batch of lead with some zinc wheel weights.
Sometimes scrounging just isn't worth the hassle.
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04 July 2016, 05:55
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by K Evans:
Lane: I've bought "plumbers lead", which is supposed to be almost pure, from Gold Metal Recyclers on S Lamar in Dallas.n There is a Gold Metals location in Gainesvill on FM 371 (I think), maybe you can get it there as well.
I've used plumbers lead for many years for muzzle loaders both for round ball, and paper patched bullets in old black powder cartridge rifles. Plumbers lead is about as close to pure lead as you will find!
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17 October 2016, 04:15
Dutch44Cal, those old batteries may have some arsenic in them. I always csst with the garage door open when I'm not sure about lineage.
I have cast and paper patched probably 6-7000 .40 and .45 caliber projectiles. I always rolled on a little marble slab after soaking the patch in water and squeezing off the excess. I always cut patch to length of projectile. No tail and just a little fold over which shrinks to the bullet. Patch will adhere just fine.
On my false muzzle Ballard #6 cross-patch rifle I load a slightly undersize 38-55 projectile with the paper strips lubricated with Sperm Whale oil. Keeps them from tearing when I use the bullet seater and rod.
I love shooting paper patched bullets. Taken 4 white tails with an original Sharps Borchardt 45-70 sporter and 560 grain pp bullets over 68 grains of Swiss 2f.
17 January 2019, 10:46
Max503I saw some soft lead collars for going around pipes that stick up through your roof at a local RP Lumber store.
My stash of soft lead is mostly old roof sheathing.
Commercial buses still use stick-on soft lead WW's. Maybe try the nearest city bus barn?
17 January 2019, 23:26
jplI've got several hundred pounds of plumbers lead cast into ~1 lb "lyman" ingots. PM me if you're in the market I can easily max out a few USPS flat rate boxes.
23 January 2019, 04:40
Use Enough GunThanks for the various sources.
My dad left me with a few lead ingots, but when that runs out. . . . . .
29 January 2019, 07:57
NormanConquestUEG,get what you can while you can. I'm in O.K. shape as far as ingots go but if in 2020 the Dems take over there will be a lot of unavailable components.What a shame it has come to this;this was once a great nation with freedoms that needed no explanation.Sorry,I suppose that is 'Political Forum' stuff but I never go there.
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31 January 2019, 04:37
Use Enough GunGood, sage advice and wisdom.
13 February 2019, 08:07
NormanConquestP.M. me your address + I'll sent you a few 1 lb. ingots,no charge.
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11 April 2019, 23:16
Alec TorresRoofing supply companies sell sheet lead - used for roof f;ashings - and I have found it very soft - pure lead I think. After my house got a new tile roof the roofers left about 50 lbs of the lead sheeting.
12 April 2019, 18:45
ledvmThanks everyone. I have not checked this thread in a while as I got a good supply laid in.
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J. Lane Easter, DVM
A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
13 April 2019, 08:53
NormanConquestLane,if you change your mind,give me a shout.Be glad to help you out.I am in the sheet metal business after all.
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