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FRIDAY, FEB 27, 2015 03:45 PM CST

9 things you think you know about Jesus that are probably wrong

This article originally appeared on AlterNet.

Jesus has been described as the best known figure in history, and also the least known. If you mentioned the name “Jesus” and someone asked Jesus who, you might blink. Or laugh. Even people who don’t think Jesus was God mostly believe they know a fair bit about him. You might be surprised that some of your most basic assumptions about Jesus are probably wrong.

We have no record of anything that was written about Jesus by eyewitnesses or other contemporaries during the time he would have lived, or for decades thereafter. Nonetheless, based on archeological digs and artifacts, ancient texts and art, and even forensic science, we know a good deal about the time and culture in which the New Testament is set. This evidence points to some startling conclusions about who Jesus likely was—and wasn’t.

1. Married, not single. When an ancient papyrus scrap was found in 2014 referring to the wife of Jesus, some Catholics and Evangelicals were scandalized. But unlike the Catholic Church, Jews have no tradition of celibacy among religious leaders. Jesus and his disciples would have been practicing Jews, and all great rabbis we know of were married. A rabbi being celibate would have been so unusual that some modern writers have argued Jesus must have been gay. But a number of ancient texts, including the canonical New Testament, point to a special relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. The Gospel of Phillip says, “[Jesus] loved her more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her mouth.”

2. Cropped hair, not long.Jewish men at the time of Christ did not wear their hair long. A Roman triumphal arch of the time period depicts Jewish slaves with short hair. In the Apostle Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians, he addresses male hair length. “Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him?” (1 Corinthians 11:14 NRSV). During the 1960s, conservative Christians quoted this verse to express their disgust against the hippy movement and to label it anti-Christian.

3. Hung on a pole, not necessarily a cross.For centuries scholars have known that the Greek New Testament word “stauros,” which is translated into English as cross, can refer to a device of several shapes, commonly a single upright pole, “torture stake” or even tree. The Romans did not have a standard way of crucifying prisoners, and Josephus tells us that during the siege of Jerusalem, soldiers nailed or tied their victims in a variety of positions. Early Christians may have centered on the vertical pole with a crossbeam because it echoed the Egyptian ankh, a symbol of life, or the Sumerian symbol for Tammuz, or because it simply was more artistically and symbolically distinctive than the alternatives. Imagine millions of people wearing a golden pole on a chain around their necks.

4. Short, not tall. The typical Jewish man at the time of the Roman Empire would have been just over five feet tall, which makes this a best guess for the height of Jesus. That he is typically depicted taller derives from the mental challenge people have distinguishing physical stature from other kinds of stature. Great men are called “big men” and “larger than life.” In ancient times they often were assigned divine parentage and miraculous births, and the idea that Jesus was uniquely divine has created a strong pull over time to depict him as taller than is likely. A good illustration of this is the Shroud of Turin, which is just one of many such Jesus-shrouds that circulated during medieval times and which bears the image of a man closer to six feet in height.

5. Born in a house, not a stable. The miraculous birth story of Jesus is a late, maybe second-century addition to the Bible, and it contains many fascinatingmythic elements and peculiarities. But the idea that Jesus was born in a stable was added to the Christmas story even later. In the original narrative, Joseph and Mary probably would have stayed with relatives, and the phrase “no room for them in the inn (gr: kataluma)” is better translated “no room for them in the upper room.” Later storytellers did not understand that people of the time might bring animals into their ground floor, as in Swiss housebarns, and they assumed that the presence of a manger implied a stable.

6. Named Joshua, not Jesus. The name Joshua (in Hebrew Y’hoshuʿa meaning “deliverance” or “salvation”), was common among Jews in the Ancient Near East as it is today. Joshua and Jesus are the same name, and are translated differently in our modern Bible to distinguish Jesus from the Joshua of the Old Testament, who leads the Hebrew people to the Promised Land. In actuality, the relationship between the two figures is fascinating and important.Some scholars believe that the New Testament gospels are mostly historicized and updated retellings of the more ancient Joshua story, with episodes interwoven from stories of Elisha and Elijah and Moses. A modern parallel can be found in the way Hollywood writers have reworked Shakespearean tropes and plot elements into dozens of modern movies (though for a very different purpose).

7. Number of apostles (12) from astrology, not history. Whether Jesus had 12 disciples who were above his other devotees is an open question. The number 12 was considered auspicious by many ancient peoples, and the fellowship of 12 disciples, who are depicted in Da Vinci’s The Last Supper, likely get their count from the same source as the 12 signs of the zodiac and 12 months of the year. Astrotheology or star worship preceded the Hebrew religion, and shaped both the Bible and Western religions more broadly. One might point to the 12 Olympian gods or 12 sons of Odin, or the 12 days of Christmas or 12 “legitimate” successors to the prophet Mohammed. But since the Gospels echo the story of Joshua, the 12 apostles most closely parallel the 12 tribes of Israel.

8. Prophecies recalled, not foretold. Even people who aren’t too sure about the divinity of Jesus sometimes think that the way he fulfilled prophecies was a bit spooky, like the writings of Nostradamus. In reality, Scooby Doo could solve this one in a single episode with three pieces of information: First, Old Testament prophecies were well known to first-century Jews, and a messianic figure who wanted to fulfill some of these prophecies could simply do so. For example, in the book of Matthew, Jesus seeks a donkey to ride into Jerusalem “that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet” (Matthew 21:4). Second, “gospels” are a genre of devotional literature rather than objective histories, which means that the authors had every reason to shape their stories around earlier predictions. Third, scholars now believe that some Bible texts once thought to be prophecies (for example in the Book of Revelation) actually relate to events that were current or past at the time of writing.

9. Some Jesus quotes not from Jesus; others uncertain. Lists of favorite Jesus sayings abound online. Some of the most popular are the Beatitudes (blessed are the meek, etc.) or the story of the woman caught in adultery (let he who is without sin cast the first stone) or the Golden Rule (do unto others as you would have them do unto you, which, we are told, sums up the Law and the Prophets).

Which words are actually from Jesus? This question has been debated fiercely by everyone from third-century Catholic Councils to the 20th-century Jesus Seminar. Even Thomas Jefferson weighed in, but much remains unclear. The New Testament Gospels were written long after Jesus would have died, and no technology existed with which to record his teachings in real time, unless he wrote them down himself, which he didn’t.

We can be confident that at least some of the wise and timeless words andcatchy proverbs attributed to Jesus are actually from earlier or later thinkers. For example, the Golden Rule was articulated before the time of Christ by theRabbi Hillel the Elder, who similarly said it was the “whole Torah.” By contrast, the much-loved story of the woman caught in adultery doesn’t appear in manuscripts until the fourth century. Attributing words (or whole texts) to a famous person was common in the Ancient Near East, because it gave those words extra weight. Small wonder then that so many genuinely valuable insights ended up, in one way or another, paired with the name of Jesus.

The person of Jesus, if indeed there was such a person, is shrouded in the fog of history leaving us only with a set of hunches and traditions that far too often are treated as knowledge. The “facts” I have listed here are largely trivial; it doesn’t really matter whether Jesus was tall or short, or how he cut his hair. But it does matter, tremendously, that “facts” people claim to know about how Jesus saw himself, and God and humanity are equally tenuous.

The teachings attributed to Jesus mix enduring spiritual and moral insights with irrelevancies and Judaica and bits of Iron Age culture, some of which are truly awful. That leaves each of us, from the privileged vantage of the 21st century, with both a right and a responsibility to consider the evidence and make our own best guesses about what is real and how we should then live. A good starting place might be a little more recognition that we don’t know nearly as much as we’d like to think, and a lot of what we know for sure is probably wrong.


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“If you are a Christian you do not have to believe that all the other religions are simply wrong all through. If you are an atheist you do have to believe that the main point in all the religions of the whole world is simply one huge mistake.”
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Indoctrination goes deep.


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train up a child according to his own individual gift or bent,,,,,

inculcation, likewise

best,

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We all believe what/how we choose........ Faith is the same way....we all have faith, some have faith in a higher order, some have faith that there is none.........

It's all based uopon faith, no one can "know" either way.

Gato you are an ass!


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Well, the way I see it is that if Jesus is not really who he himself said he was, then it really doesn't matter what you believe one way or the other. BUT if Jesus is the eternal son of the Almighty Creator of this universe (and beyond) and all power has been given to him in Heaven and on earth; then it might really matter. Eternity might just be a very long time. Longer, if you're wrong. Choices will be made and excuses will not matter. Just the way I see it.
 
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We all believe what/how we choose........ Faith is the same way....we all have faith, some have faith in a higher order, some have faith that there is none.........

It's all based uopon faith, no one can "know" either way.

Gato you are an ass!


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And you're a pencil dicked bug fucker, but to each his own. Wink


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start with #6. It's Yeshua.

It is amazing that scholars who generally cannot tell you any of their great-grandparents names know so much.

We who believe just keep believing. Faith is, in the end; the evidence of things not seen.

You must also understand that these are the samepeople who brought us global warming...
 
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The Gospel of Phillip says, “[]


This text is apocripha
 
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Originally posted by JTEX:
We all believe what/how we choose........ Faith is the same way....we all have faith, some have faith in a higher order, some have faith that there is none.........

It's all based uopon faith, no one can "know" either way.

Gato you are an ass!


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And you're a pencil dicked bug fucker, but to each his own. Wink


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JTex,

Just consider the source...


To gordo's post, if he is right (and he isn't, thank God) then all behavior needs be self centered. That, because once when we die, that is it.

If we believe, then this is just a little bit of time compared to Eternity with or without God.

For gordo and others who do not believe; the punishment is not as much forever in torment, as being separated from God and being able to see across that vast space that separates Heaven from Hell.

The New Testament uses the word "Gehenna" to describe Hell. That was the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem; where things that were broken (and could not be fixed) or no longer useful or wanted went.

Despite my faults, and they are many, I believe in God and His promise.

I feel very sad for those who do not. What's to look forward to?

Rich

One last thought for all: Intelligent Design presumes an Intelligent Designer. Stephen Hawking, iirc.
 
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Originally posted by JTEX:
We all believe what/how we choose........ Faith is the same way....we all have faith, some have faith in a higher order, some have faith that there is none.........

It's all based uopon faith, no one can "know" either way.

Gato you are an ass!


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And you're a pencil dicked bug fucker, but to each his own. Wink


Classy as always Charlie.....you and Crazyhorse make a nice pair are you related?


You want to start calling me names, I can manage the likes of you on my worst day, dumb fuck.


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O.K. guys,a joke here to hopefully still some waters.Remember the comedian Red Foxx? In one of his routines he said Jesus was'nt as white as they paint him. You live over there for 33 years without a hat? Hell our pastor went on a tour of the holy land for one week + came back looking like Billy Exstein. I will admit that religious beliefs can be contraversal to say the least.


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You want to start calling me names, I can manage the likes of you on my worst day, dumb fuck.

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Pathetic..... Roll Eyes
 
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One word responses are the limit of your abilities. Do you have a handicapped parking license?

Try two words next time....stretch.


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Really pathetic.... Roll Eyes
 
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Good boy.


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fishing I caught a fat one.
 
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IMO: BULL!
 
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OK. I'll take this on:

The "9 points" assert something like "We have no records by any eye witness or contemporary or one living decades after He lived about what Jesus did or said ."

PROVE THAT!
 
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What are you two fighting about?


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One of the surviving astronauts who walked on the moon had a statement recently for athiests. It went something like this:

Standing on the moon, looking back at earth...with that colorful ball suspended in the middle of a dark universe, if you were not a believer in GOD up to that point, you will be then.

BTW, in my own opinion whether Jesus lived or not or there is a GOD or not:

There is nothing gained by being an atheist...there is much to be gained by being a believer. One of them lives and dies and that is it...the other lives and dies and MAYBE that is it...but MAYBE he gets to live eternally. I am betting on the latter because I want the odds in my favor. Who wouldn't?
 
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