Yes it is John. I havea gutter system built to funnel into my 1s 2500 gal. tank. The one side of my shop alone is 15' x 40' with a 5/12 pitch one needs to add a 1.5 % multiplier. In brass tacks, "one inch of rain will net me 800 gallons. I have separate tanks to pump into. And yes I installed sight glass tubes to verify my amounts.

Oh + BTW, I'm glad to hear of another man who feels his word is his bond + a handshake is good enough. I have done business that way for many years + yes I have got burned a few times but I still feel that it is the right way to do business with others. People I mean, not corporations. Those guys will stiff you.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
You don't like the robots?????

Wait till the democrats pass their $15.00 minimum wage......that's a job killing son of a gun!

Not if we boycott self-service in favor of the checkout ladies...

I personally refuse to use the self-checkout lines. I feel that I would be depriving someone a job.

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Originally posted by NormanConquest:
I personally refuse to use the self-checkout lines. I feel that I would be depriving someone a job.

And a moment's chit-chat...

I bad-mouthed the "self-checkout" until I got used to it. I now avoid cashiers.

Kids need to aspire to, and achieve better in life.

I fight self-service in restaurants. I'm not a "buffet guy".

Once the power of COVID subsides, the job market should surge. Young people need to be ready to pounce.

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Originally posted by NormanConquest:
I personally refuse to use the self-checkout lines. I feel that I would be depriving someone a job.

Lol... You cannot be serious. I say this in that I agree with many of your points, but not this one.

I guess I am a little biased in that I am a STEM teacher and see what my students are making with "robots".

There is now an ever increasing need for programs and people to work with the "robots". A few 22-23 year old students recently received job offers after they were trained to work on these evil robots. The one kid started at $75k the other at $70k.

The point is, people have the opportunity to get training in order to improve and gain new skills. With low unemployment jobs are not being "lost" they are being replaced with new ones.

Robots, and a strong domestic work force will actually return jobs state side in my opinion.

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There is now an ever increasing need for programs and people to work with the "robots". A few 22-23 year old students recently received job offers after they were trained to work on these evil robots. The one kid started at $75k the other at $70k.

A FEW 22-23 yr old kids got job offers. how many LOST their jobs to the robots??
lets say ONE of your students can "work on" 100 of these robots in a year. he's slow. how many people lost their jobs to each robot? yea, thats real progress all right. sounds like as much of a win for the workforce as shutting down the keystone pipeline.

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Originally posted by john c.:

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There is now an ever increasing need for programs and people to work with the "robots". A few 22-23 year old students recently received job offers after they were trained to work on these evil robots. The one kid started at $75k the other at $70k.

A FEW 22-23 yr old kids got job offers. how many LOST their jobs to the robots??
lets say ONE of your students can "work on" 100 of these robots in a year. he's slow. how many people lost their jobs to each robot? yea, thats real progress all right. sounds like as much of a win for the workforce as shutting down the keystone pipeline.

Don’t even make that comparison to something I said. I HATE that the pipeline is shut down.
I gave two examples of many. Jobs have been changing for the past hundred years, due to technology. Also, unemployment is still low. I have no doubt that technology and good training can be a benefit

why not? it applies. you can't cherry pick your statements then demand someones opinion approval. by your own description you are in the business of robots. which will take away human jobs. whether its by left wing decree or automation even at a basic level, people lose jobs. i think we are in the early stages of a complete or nearly so totally automated world. have to see how it plays out. i'll pick humans training humans any day over humans training robots. and when the robots start training the robots will the human robot trainers protest? or celebrate?

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Originally posted by john c.:
why not? it applies. you can't cherry pick your statements then demand someones opinion approval. by your own description you are in the business of robots. which will take away human jobs. whether its by left wing decree or automation even at a basic level, people lose jobs. i think we are in the early stages of a complete or nearly so totally automated world. have to see how it plays out. i'll pick humans training humans any day over humans training robots. and when the robots start training the robots will the human robot trainers protest? or celebrate?

In the longer term, when we modify our tasks to be amenable to mechanization, there will be no pressing reason for chattel slavery. That would be ok with me. Humans may only need a shortened workday for a decent life, with the option to work hard and get ahead if they so desire. Not so bad.

What we do not have is a workable social organization designed for that environment.
So far, top-down organizations designed around ideology have not prospered.
We can hope that the mixed economy will evolve, if it is not forced into rigidity by rabid socialists or inflexible capitalists.

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Originally posted by john c.:
why not? it applies. you can't cherry pick your statements then demand someones opinion approval. by your own description you are in the business of robots. which will take away human jobs. whether its by left wing decree or automation even at a basic level, people lose jobs. i think we are in the early stages of a complete or nearly so totally automated world. have to see how it plays out. i'll pick humans training humans any day over humans training robots. and when the robots start training the robots will the human robot trainers protest? or celebrate?

John:

First off, I want to be 100% clear. I am not "demanding" anyone's approval lol. I really could not
careless if you do or do not agree with me. It makes no difference to me.

Secondly, I am glad you are picking humans over "robots". I do to. I just believe that "humans" can adapt
to different types of work, work that can be better (that is my opinion).

And last, I have stated my OPINION and nothing more. I am fine with admitting I am wrong, maybe I am. I am basing
my opinion off of working in manufacturing, maintenance, engineering, and education. I have worked at many different
levels of automation (and at both sides of the equation).

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Originally posted by nvmichael:
I like the robots they're quick and easy. They never ask "How's Your Day Going?" god, I hate that question. And I'm a nice guy.

rignt! and the robots don't engage the old bastard that wants to have a chat about nothing and holds up the line.

Gas in Pennsylvania hasn't seen 2.50 a gal for YEARS

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I like the robots they're quick and easy. They never ask "How's Your Day Going?" god, I hate that question. And I'm a nice guy.

wow you must be a fun a guy to be around. would you prefer they said "hey you ugly ignorant old shit, gimme ur money and haul yer stinking ass outta here"?
i was in the post office years ago and it was actually raining (a rarity) and an old lady came in complaining about said rain and the puddles outside when a guy said would you rather god sent down balls of fire to burn your ass up? she got real quiet but there sure were lots of smiles. i shook his hand and asked his name. bruce kerr. can't remember like i used to but never forgot his name.

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rignt! and the robots don't engage the old bastard that wants to have a chat about nothing and holds up the line.

yep.instead the old bastard at the robot holds up the robot line twice as long trying to figure out how the damn thing works then has to wait for the one human helping the other old bastard that can't figure it out either. and the robot line gets longer and longer. just can't win huh.

Well, the easy remidy for me is that I never get in that line.

one of my good friends is a 'general' for a big
local construction company. they're building a big project for the local electric generation plant.
pouring over 1000 yards of concrete. He sent a
picture of it today. I responded: "Just think
what that's costing with at least "$100 a yard'

He came back with: "Try $210 a yard" WOW!

Back in 1967 I drove a mixer that summer, mud was $17.34 a yard then"

He gave some prices of $18 for a 8ft 2x4 stud, and $89 a sheet for 3/4" CDX plywood. No damn wonder houses are priced so high these days.

Imagine all the concrete used to build a modern interstate highway.

George

well since everything that we use comes via truck; thanks Joe Biden for the escalating prices on everything.