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Abbott says OC coming to Texas



http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/06/27/...ery-dangerous/

(skip to about the 10:00 mark to hear his comments about OC)

I know that the Gov has virtually zero ability to get legislation through, but it's still great to hear his confidence. Maybe he can add it to a special session to remove some of the procedural roadblocks.
 
Posts: 19355 | Location: wis | Registered: 21 April 2001Reply With Quote
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http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2...-chipotles-open.html


The marketing expertise of Moms Demand Action has created a media campaign to demonize the open carry of long guns, especially in Texas. Shannon Watts, who heads MDA is a longtime professional at creating media campaigns:


She is not just Suzy Homemaker or some low-grade employee at a small company but a heavy Public relations hitter, savvy on the ways of media manipulation and making her clients look good. Basically she “grows” astroturf for a living.

Open carry activism in Texas has become so effective that both Governor candidates have endorsed the legalization of the open carry of handguns, the stated objective of the open carry groups in Texas. The media campaign to demonize open carry is attempted pushback.

The campaign has backfired, though it has managed to deceive some of those in the gun culture who have been predisposed to denigrate open carry.

The primary tool used by those who wish a disarmed population is deception, or more correctly, the creation of a narrative designed to demonize the gun culture without regard to facts. Moms Demand Action demonstrated this with the use of the famous staged photograph in their attempt to portray open carriers as threatening.



Here is the angle that Moms Demand Action used to claim intimidation:

Here is a quote form Pliney Gale, who was at the scene and participated in the walk:


"The Dallas group called ahead get permission from the store manager—OCT was welcomed to come eat at Chipotle, weapons and all. At the restaurant, the staff and other guests were friendly and polite. There were even many handshakes and “thank-yous” were given to both OCT and Chipotle. The DPD detective (as well as 2 DART officers who happened to be there on their lunch break) dined in the restaurant and assured that no laws were broken. Photos were taken at the event, and it was a very positive experience. There was quite simply no controversy at all."

Pictures and rest of the story at the link
 
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As I understand the gun proponents who are against the open carry "exhibitions" say that it hurts the 2nd amendment to "scare" people by carrying guns openly.

I only have this to say:

If a right cannot be freely exercised then the right is already gone.


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I've seen a lot of these videos, and it amazes me that no one comes up to strike up a conversation about their rig, the rifle, or anything related to general interest.

I know I would. Because my immediate thought would be that these are people wanting an audience, and hell i'll give them an interested and sincere audience. Show me how that thing breaks down with a taco in one hand. Show me how that (to me) drag along sling turns into a a standing shooting aid. I play a bass, i understand weight vs hours slung, LOL!
 
Posts: 1646 | Location: Euless, TX | Registered: 22 May 2002Reply With Quote
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About typical of these fools.....

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A New Day on Guns
by ERICA GRIEDER
TUE JANUARY 27, 2015 6:19 PM

I wrote a preview of the 84th Legislature for the February issue, and among my predictions was that Democrats should be stoical about the push to legalize open carry of handguns, because it’s a) not that big of a deal and b) such a bill would pass easily: Republicans have enough votes and Greg Abbott had already said he would sign it.

But by the end of the first day of session, my prediction was looking dubious. A group of advocates from Open Carry Tarrant County, advocating for their cause around the Capitol, confronted Rep. Poncho Nevarez in his office. In theory, they were asking for his support, but in practice, as is clear from a video of the encounter posted by the group’s leader, Kory Watkins, they were harassing him in personal terms because he told them, clearly and calmly, that he wasn’t planning to vote yes on the bill. As a result of their efforts, Watkins et al spurred the Lege to immediate action, which is more than many advocates can say: the next day the House approved rules letting members install panic buttons, so they could call for help in the event of such confrontations. The advocates had, somewhat poetically, shot themselves in the foot; it was probably still possible for the Lege to pass open carry, given how large the Republican majorities are, but there would be more resistance.

As of today, the effort might well be dead. At a Texas Tribune event this morning, Dan Patrick told Evan Smith that he doesn’t think there are enough votes to pass open carry in the Lege at this point, and, beyond that, that he wasn’t concerned about it: “Second Amendment rights are very important, but open carry does not reach to the level of prioritizing at this point.” Instead, he said, he—and by extension, the Senate—would prioritize issues like education reform and tax relief.

This was surprising, considering that Patrick has done nothing to ruffle conservatives during his first week on the job (although not surprising if you consider that Patrick has always been less predictably conservative than his rhetoric and persona would suggest.) It was also the most sobering one-two punch a conservative has dealt his own side since Giovanni Capriglione told the Northeast Tarrant Tea Party that he would support Joe Straus for speaker because Scott Turner couldn’t muster enough votes to win and, incidentally, wasn’t qualified for the job.

As in the Capriglione case, Patrick’s analysis was forceful because it was essentially pragmatic. After the Trib event he offered some more explanation on Facebook and in regard to the math, he said that there hadn’t been enough votes to pass open carry last session, and that at this point don’t appear to be enough votes in the House or the Senate this time around. That may be correct. I thought there were easily enough votes in both chambers before session started, if you add up the votes from Republicans who support open carry and the Republicans who aren’t going to vote against a base-pleasing gun bill when it gets to the floor. But those numbers have surely shrunk as a result of the way open carry advocates have pursued this; their behavior has been genuinely off-putting and, accordingly, provides political cover for Republicans who weren’t thrilled with the ideal in the first place.

Regardless, as lieutenant governor, Patrick has a figurative vote determining which issues come before the Senate. He effectively just voted no on open carry, and his explanation was totally fair. Patrick has always been clear and emphatic about his priorities. Open carry hasn’t been one of them, although he’s said that he supports it. And in a 140-day biennial session, no one can should fault him for prioritizing his stated priorities. If conservatives don’t like it, they should build a time machine and go vote for Jerry Patterson.

What conservatives should not do is attack Patrick, as many are doing in the comments section of his aforementioned Facebook post. This is bound to backfire. There’s no evidence, even now, that Patrick doesn’t support the Second Amendment—his point was about time management, not gun laws. And if conservatives want to argue that Patrick should prioritize what is, after all, a relatively minor change in Texas’s gun laws over his plans for bigger reforms in areas such as education, taxes, and border securtiy, they’re going to come across looking like OCTC guys (or like the Tea Partiers who spent two months trying to punish Capriglione for his similar comments): bizarrely entitled bullies with no sense of proportion. And they’re not going to win the fight, any more than they won the speaker’s race.


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These nutjobs are the worst example of gun rights extremist. Fodder for the opposition.

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Big splash on local (DFW area) TV about where the above mentioned Kory Watkins posted a FB or youtube blurb where he says, "Interfering with the Constitution is treason....pause....and the punishment for treason is DEATH (emphasized)" Damn, I wish the dumb bastard would switch sides, he's killing us.


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When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere.

NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR.

I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process.
 
Posts: 17099 | Location: Texas USA | Registered: 07 May 2001Reply With Quote
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Some times I wonder if these kind of knuckleheads are a false flag operation of some sort.
 
Posts: 3174 | Location: Warren, PA | Registered: 08 August 2002Reply With Quote
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You can stick a fork in Open Carry in this session of the Texas legislature.
Watkins should be the name on the bill's headstone.
Tactics of his kind are the best argument against OC.
I'd feel uncomfortable around the guy if all he had was wiffle bat.


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Kory Watkins


"Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself."
Mark Twain
 
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I'd feel uncomfortable around the guy if all he had was wiffle bat.


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Really funny, but unfortunately really true. Frowner

He may not really be that way in person, but he comes across as a flat out nut who might be borderline dangerous. And "borderline" might be generous.


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When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere.

NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR.

I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process.
 
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When WI was pushing for a concealed carry law, it was the Dems that argued against (of course). Their arguement was that you could already open carry in the state (which you could do so legally in MOST districts but some communities banned it). They were for the most part alarmed when the citizens decided to open carry on a regular basis at that point. An acquaintance of mine was arrested in Madison at a Culvers restaraunt for doing so. The 911 call was from a lady that basically was just reporting individuals wearing sidearms in the outside eating area. She did mention that she did NOT feel threatened in any way, but was more curious about what they were doing. Pretty soon 3 or 4 squads showed up and escorted them to the station. One of the 4 had already won a $10,000 lawsuit against a town near Milwaukee for the same thing as they were stopped, questioned, and arrested for doing abolutely nothing wrong, and there was no just cause for the officers actions as they were within their legal rights.
Now we have concealed carry, and I know of no one that carries open as concealed carry is generally considered preferrable. Actually, I'm not so sure open carry is legal now that we do have a concealed carry law...should probably look into that.


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I'll have to agree with Gatogordo.
 
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