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On this thread it sounds like Aaron is not concerned about the outcome of the CITES meeting in regards to Lion hunting.

Has something changed in the last 18 months.

I am happy with my hunt and its outcome and my Lion should be stateside any day now but I thought 2012 was the last year holding some certainty.


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http://www.cic-wildlife.org/index.php?id=899


See lion section.

Interesting reading,click on the leopard export section.



CIC participation in the 62nd meeting of the CITES Standing Committee



Willem Wijnstekers, CIC’s Deputy President of the Policy and Law Division, participated in this meeting of the CITES Standing Committee, which – as usual – had an overloaded working programme. It apparently also had the highest level of participation ever.



Willem took advantage of the participation of African francophone representatives to distribute copies of the French version of his CIC published book "The Evolution of CITES".



Here is a short overview of the results of discussions on the most important issues for the CIC.



The 16th meeting of the Conference of the Parties, Bangkok, 3 to 14 March 2013



For cost-saving purposes and as a trial, this meeting will be one day shorter than previous ones. Work will be concluded on the Thursday rather than the Friday of the second week. The starting date was chosen to be the 40th anniversary of the signature of the Convention in Washington (DC), i.e. 3 March 1973.



The meeting will – as in 2004 – be held in the Queen Sirikit National Convention Center, which is an excellent venue for a meeting of this size and duration.



Carolina Caceres of Canada and Robert Gabel of the United States of America were nominated by the Standing Committee to chair Committees I (Scientific matters) and II (Administrative and policy matters) respectively.



It is still too early for any useful information on species’ listing and other proposals. The deadline for the large majority of such proposals is 4 October 2012. Soon thereafter, the CIC will have to decide on – preliminary - positions to be presented to governments both before and during the meeting, where possible in cooperation with other organizations.



Elephants



Before 1 January 2013, Parties that have been identified as a substantial illegal source, transit, or destination countries are to submit a report to the meeting of the Standing Committee, which will take place a day before the opening of CoP16, indicating their controls of domestic and international ivory trade. The Secretariat has to submit its evaluation of these reports to the Standing Committee and its recommendations for possible further corrective measures.



Stricter domestic measures



It is a well-known fact that national measure going beyond the Convention can be positive for species conservation in that they assist range states in the implementation of their conservation measures. On the other hand, however, a global conservation and trade instrument like CITES will of course work the best and easiest if all countries have the same measures to achieve the aims of the Convention. Particularly the stricter measures of a number of important importing countries have given rise to differences of opinion between them and – most often developing – producer countries and exporters and importers.



It was decided to maintain the working group on the issue until CoP17 (2016).



Leopard export quotas



In view of the different implementation policies in both exporting and importing countries of the quota system - the main question being whether the ‘year of taking from the wild’ or the ‘year of export’ should be used, or a combination thereof – the United States of America will submit a document with options and recommendations to CoP16. The draft of this document that was submitted to the Standing Committee can be found on www.cites.org/eng/com/SC/62/E62-35.pdf



Lion



At its next meeting on 2 March 2013, the Standing Committee will be updated by Kenya and Namibia on progress made concerning their review of the conservation and trade status of Panthera leo (the African lion). Such a joint review was agreed after Kenya withdrew its proposal to transfer the species to Appendix I in 2004. In view of this, there can be no proposal to change the current Appendix II listing of the lion.



Decision-making mechanism for authorizing ivory trade



For the background to this issue see www.cites.org/eng/com/SC/62/E62-46-04.pdf



The CIC – as a member of the IUCN Sustainable Use Specialist Group – has the opportunity to comment as indicated in the text below:



The Committee endorsed the following next steps in the development of an ivory trade decision-making mechanism:



a) In order to assist the Standing Committee with its implementation of Decision 14.77, the Secretariat should invite further comments from the stakeholders identified at its 61st meeting on the study contained in the Annex to document SC62 Doc. 46.4. Replies should be submitted by 31 August 2012;



b) On the basis of the study and the responses received, the Secretariat should review the information and prepare a document for review by the same stakeholders and the Chair of the Standing Committee. Comments should be submitted well in time for the Secretariat to prepare a document for submission at CoP16;



c) The Secretariat should take all contributions into account and prepare a document on behalf of the Standing Committee for consideration at CoP16. This document should be approved by the Chair of the Standing Committee prior to its submission, and state that it has not been endorsed by the full Standing Committee;



d) The report should include, in an annex, details of the responses which it seeks to address and from which it is derived, where the respondents have given their approval for these to be presented in this way.


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On this thread it sounds like Aaron is not concerned about the outcome of the CITES meeting in regards to Lion hunting.

Has something changed in the last 18 months.

I am happy with my hunt and its outcome and my Lion should be stateside any day now but I thought 2012 was the last year holding some certainty.


Jim - See above.


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Originally posted by Frostbit:
On this thread it sounds like Aaron is not concerned about the outcome of the CITES meeting in regards to Lion hunting.

Has something changed in the last 18 months.

I am happy with my hunt and its outcome and my Lion should be stateside any day now but I thought 2012 was the last year holding some certainty.


Jim - See above.


Sweet!!

I know someone with a Lion booked for 2013 that will be happy with this news.


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USFWS is still the biggest threat for US hunters. It's action will depend a lot on what happens in Nov. Absent an Obama White-house...USFW will bs unlikely to act. With continuance of the present administration...???


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As far as CITES goes...as stated above...not much likely to be acted upon at this meeting. But...you can bet the lion will be discussed and something other than what is on the agenda is always brought up with the lion.


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USFWS is still the biggest threat for US hunters. It's action will depend a lot on what happens in Nov. Absent an Obama White-house...USFW will bs unlikely to act. With continuance of the present administration...???


What animals have been banned to import since Obama was elected?

I thought it was gettin better since you guys are allowed to import Zambian ivory and some other things lately.
 
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USFWS is still the biggest threat for US hunters. It's action will depend a lot on what happens in Nov. Absent an Obama White-house...USFW will bs unlikely to act. With continuance of the present administration...???


The culture of the USFWS service doen't have a damn thing to do with who is in office. Case in point, all the Polar Bear crap started under Bush.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
USFWS is still the biggest threat for US hunters. It's action will depend a lot on what happens in Nov. Absent an Obama White-house...USFW will bs unlikely to act. With continuance of the present administration...???


What animals have been banned to import since Obama was elected?

I thought it was gettin better since you guys are allowed to import Zambian ivory and some other things lately.


Potentially...the lion...if he stays in office and the petition proceeds.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Originally posted by ledvm:
USFWS is still the biggest threat for US hunters. It's action will depend a lot on what happens in Nov. Absent an Obama White-house...USFW will bs unlikely to act. With continuance of the present administration...???


The culture of the USFWS service doen't have a damn thing to do with who is in office. Case in point, all the Polar Bear crap started under Bush.

Jeff


It does make a huge difference when it reqires a presidential signature such as uplisting the lion to endangered.

Not saying Bush was perfect either...thanks to Laura liking Polar Bear and leopard.

But if an uplist of lion makes it to Obama's desk...it is a shoe-in vs. a chance for reason with Romney.

But...as Jeff states...the USFWS has taken on a life of its own. We just don't have much of a chance of changing anything towards pro-hunting with Obama in office.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Lane,

What are the real chances of Lion uplisting making to any president's desk and not being signed? I just can't think of an example, but you are correct a slim chance with Romney is better than no chance. I have stated many time that the USFWS is the sworn enemy of the United States Citizen Hunter.

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Lane,

What are the real chances of Lion uplisting making to any president's desk and not being signed? I just can't think of an example, but you are correct a slim chance with Romney is better than no chance. I have stated many time that the USFWS is the sworn enemy of the United States Citizen Hunter.

Jeff


Agreed Jeff. However...I think Romney might surprize us by being analytical of the data and not being a puppet. Or better yet...maybe he would have Paul Ryan investigate it. Anybody ever see the show "Hillbilly Hand-Fishing"??? Well...some of Paul Ryan's family lives just across the river from me. One of his family members is a good client. He says Paul Ryan is down for a week or so every year in the best "noodling time" wading around in the back waters of the Red "grabbing" for catfish.

I trust a guy like that to NOT support uplisting the lion.

BTW...I think the deadline to act on the petition has past (October 4th). But the end result has not been unveiled yet.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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I will take anything I can get. I would love to see a huge shake up in the culture of the USFWS. A VP that noodles??? All I can say is Hell Yes!!!

Jeff
 
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Also Lane,

While slightly off subject the NMFS is no better for our saltwater fishing resources.

Jeff
 
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