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Your rifle appears to be in very good shape. Is it an 8x52R or have you re-barreled it to another calibre? | |||
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It's been rebarreled to 30 US, aka 30-40 Krag. | |||
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Nice and clean. Looks like a winner. Do you use the heavy for caliber bullets? roger Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Handloads so far have been with some milsurp FMJ 173s, accuracy has been pretty good. I plan on playing with some 200s and 220s and also see how it does with cast bullets. | |||
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This action is so tough that IMHO it deserves a much more powerfull caliber. | |||
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Many became available in the early '70s .It became a favorite to rebarrel to 45-70. That would take some substantial loads and requires little work beyond rebarrel. | |||
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I have considered rebarreling one, and modifying just enough to feed properly, if necessary, to convert it to shoot the 7.62x54R Russian. I think it would be a great shooter, but the cost would prohibit, when plenty of 308s and 30-06s are available. Instead, when I got the chance, I bought a barrel for the Encore, chambered for that cartridge. It satisfies the itch very well, and in that platform it's very accurate. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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As well as 30-40 and 45-70, I've seen them in 303 Brit and even a 348 Win. Have yet to see one in 54R Russian but have heard that that conversion is somewhat easier than the other choices. This is one's a 45-70, built from a box of parts that I came across at a gunshow some time back. | |||
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That's what a stock should look like. neat. roger Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Thanks! One of these days I'll get around to some bluing and maybe even have it checkered. | |||
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Local gunsmith here made some years ago a Win 95 with .338 x 53R AI. I´m thinkin to do same conversion to Siam Mauser... | |||
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Siamese actions can be rebarreled to a number of rimmed calibres. I still have 2 Siamese rifles. One still has the military barrel in 8x52 Rimmed calibre. I form brass from 45-70 cases. The fireformed case has slightly more capacity that the std 8x57 mauser. The other I rebarreled to 375/348 Ackley Improved. This is a case that looks very much like rimmed 300 WSM with a longer neck. It gives up less than 100 fps to the 375H&H. With 270 gr bullets this is a thumper that will reach out to 250-300 yds. | |||
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I have a siamese mauser in 45-70. I love it. | |||
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I rebarrelled my siamese mauser with a barrel from a 303 british and simply recut the chamber to 7.62x54R......job done...too easy....and it shoots like a dream! Roger | |||
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Great solution! I've never heard mention of it. | |||
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You should try hand loading the original chambering. The 8x52R Siamese with a 154 grain Turk FMJ and flake powder from pulled down 1941 Turk 8x57 pushes 3,000 fps out of my rifle and is quite accurate. It's darn near short magnum class. | |||
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Bobster What cases are you using to load your 8x52 rimmed Siamese loads?? What prep do you do? | |||
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I'm using Buffalo Brass made from .45-70. Cases are first fire formed with a moderate load. Then once formed, they are neck sized only with a LEE Collet Die. I had it custom made by LEE by sending them 2 fired cases and $55 a few years ago. Then I use the LEE Factory Crimp Die. This gives me consistent neck tension. I worked the loads up starting with a 20 % reduction in the 8x57 charge.
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craigster: Who rebarreled it for you? | |||
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Brilliant | |||
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A local smith. | |||
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Personally I think the checkering will detract from the already beautifully sleek appearance and add little in handling. JMHO roger Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Very nice, I like the stock configuration. The barrel, looks to be a rebored military? | |||
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The 350 Remington Magnum also fits the action | |||
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yes, indeed it would -- you see, there was a line of rounds, which has "dispeared" called HE Mags - High energy Magnums, that did this.. and then cut them rimless, and they were very close to the jamison/wsm/rum line in results -- , and MIGHT HAVE (not to be sued - this is conjecture and not fact nor legal opinion) predated Jamison's work and MIGHT HAVE constituted prior art , and since NOT made from 404 cases, in any way shape or form, might have obviated any claim to unique work --- interesting thoughts, to say the least #dumptrump opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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When I got A Siamese Mauser from Sarco a few years ago and looked at yhe barrel I had to keep the original caliber.A little chore to make cases from 45-70 brass but worth ii.Have killed deer with it very well. | |||
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Jeffeosso There were a several people working with short fat cartridges long before Jamison or thw HE mags. Roy Gradle created a line of " Express" cartridges which were formed from 348 cases with the rims turned off and turned into a rimmless case. He had them in 7mm 8mm & 375 that I know of and suspect there was a 30 and 35 cal version as well. John Howell was doing the same thing with the rimmed 348 case. I think he shortened the 348 case slightly. This is all in Ackley's handbooks. | |||
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I really enjoy seeing the wide variety of interests here. This SM thread is a good example. I have one sitting on the bench, action only, headed to be a .450 Alaskan if I ever get off my rear. Dave In 100 years who of us will care? An armed society is a polite society! Just because they say you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. | |||
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And I think good checkering would just improve an already beautiful stock. And I wouldn't want checkering finer than 18 LPI, so it would still improve grip under wet conditions in the field. But that's why God invented horse-racing. Gives folks a chance to make their own selection of which seems best to them. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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I have a really nice Siamese that has been converted to 30-40 and Mannlicher stocked with a Schnabel. Have no idea who did it but he definitely is a craftsman. It too didn't have any checkering or safety when I got it so I installed an FN style safety and Sterling Davenport graciously put a simple checkering pattern on it. It is extremely accurate and a very nice job. There is a write up and pictures under the title 'straight bolt handle' published 19 feb 2006 on this forum. I don't know how to include it here or reference it. It shows what can be done with a Siamese with a cheap piece of wood and take off parts and the commensurate skill this artist has. SCI Life Member NRA Patron Life Member DRSS | |||
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In the late 1970's Navy Arms sold a lot of Siamese rebarreled in 45-70 and sporter stocked. iirc, I paid about $140 for the one I had. Rich | |||
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