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08 December 2016, 11:13yumastepside
I have just picked up 7.65x53 1909 Argentine carbine take-off barrel ($100) with the intention of fitting it to a 1904 Portuguese Vergueiro action and fitting the whole lot to a nice little Mannlicher stock, spoon bolt handle, etc, etc.
Other than re-machining the Argy barrel to the small ring and recess for the bolt head, does anyone see any other problems that I may encounter ??
08 December 2016, 11:47yumastepside
.....and now I can't find my barrel shank drawings
.....so, if anyone has dimensions for the Vergueiro and the Argy barrels, I'd really appreciated a copy
08 December 2016, 20:08Ole Miss Guy
Go down the page to GUNSMITHING forum and start at the top.
08 December 2016, 23:22yumastepside
......found a large ring but can't find Vergueiro.
09 December 2016, 07:48Uncle Grinch
Maybe z1r will speak up. He rebarreled mine to 7x57 and had to thread and face the barrel, if I remember correctly
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09 December 2016, 20:37z1r
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09 December 2016, 23:42yumastepside
Thanks, being basically a Mannlicher design ,I wasn't sure it would be a small ring thread size. Any other tips before I start hacking into the barrel ?
11 January 2017, 04:54Bobster
That will be one cool carbine. Great re-purpose! Remember, SARCO has NOS 8x57 Verguiero BBLs for $50. No machining. You could save the 7.65 bbl for a M98 project. http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/verg...smallringew2334.aspx
11 January 2017, 06:16yumastepside
.......picked up a 7.65x53 carbine barrel from Roger Vardy for $100.......its happening !
30 May 2017, 14:46yumastepside
......ongoing saga....does anyone have a Vergueiro action,or rifle that they could measure the width of the gap in the top at the rear of the action where the bolt slides forward and back.....mine is quite loose and I'm wondering if the action may be slightly sprung.
12 June 2017, 05:12yumastepside
.....OK, got the info I needed to re-machine the 'argy barrel, so its all go....also picked up an old BRNO small ring stock, so I'll re-inlet it to suit until I get time to make a full length stock......
.....shouldn't come out too bad....
....sorry about the crappy pics
25 June 2017, 09:34Bobster
Consider that the barrel breech will require machining that may affect the amount of barrel shoulder you will have left to fit to the receiver shoulder.
25 June 2017, 10:28yumastepside
The large ring thread will turn down to the small ring size, then counterbore for the bolt head, the Vergueiro thread is shorter than the 1909.
The chamber will then have to be deepened to compensate for the bolt head counterbore.
02 April 2018, 05:45yumastepside
Its been a while, but I've fitted the barrel to the action, so now its time for sights, scope mount ( something similar to the South African one pictured below ), a fairly thick recoil pad ( mainly for the LOP as I have Orangutan arms ) and a few finishing touches. It was never intended to be a beauty queen, just the best use of bits that were at hand......
....maybe a lever floorplate release, and a spoon bolt handle....
As the cartridge is basically a rimless 303, I have some .312 150gr SP's that should work nicely. Although its called a 1909 Argentine carbine barrel,its still 22" long, and the bare rifle weighs just over 6 lbs.
29 April 2018, 05:17yumastepside
Time for the acid test...just ordered 200 165gr hard cast projectiles for the Vergueiro, so now I need some starting loads....anyone have some favourite loads for the 165's at about 2200 fps ??.....anything ?...any info gratefully accepted, or at least tested
P.S. I know very little about this cartridge,other than historical, so any information loading and performance wise would be appreciated.
30 April 2018, 03:04bpesteve
Great project and cartridge!
Years ago I found that 40 grs of IMR 4064 with the Hornady 150 gr .312" bullet made a very mild, accurate load for the 7,65 Mauser in an 1891 Argentine. I didn't have a chronograph back then, but the Hornady manual showed about 2500 fps in a 29 inch barrel.
As far as comparisons, think .308 Winchester or even better the .300 Savage; they are about the same capacity and will show similar loading results, as with the .303. Stick with 300 Savage level loads and your Vergueiro should be very happy.
29 August 2020, 21:21Ireload3
If you don't mind an odd ball you can machine the barrel shank to shorten the 2.1 Mauser chamber to match the length of 7.62 NATO brass. This would permit making cases by forming Nato brass without any trimming or use of longer brass.8
03 September 2020, 02:59Uncle Grinch
You’ve seen mine before, but I’m happy to post it again. Mine now sports a 7x57 barrel.
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10 March 2021, 21:26Pegleg
Nicely done bolt handle!
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11 March 2021, 18:04Bill/Oregon
... And the sights and the stock.
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12 March 2021, 06:22Uncle Grinch
z1r did the bolt and barrel and I had the barreled action cerakoted locally. The stock is from inthe10ring over on Mausercentral.net. The sights are NECG Masterpiece series.
The stock is still a work in progress...when I get time!
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