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There's been a lot of discussion on the excellence of the 6.5 Creedmoor as a cartridge. Not disputing that but I think it's time we discussed how it compares to the venerable and much maligned 270 Win

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Which caliber is superior?

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6.5 Creedmoor
270 Winchester

 


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When you can get 3000 fps out of a 150 grn bullet in a .625 bc with a
LR Accubond the scale tips slightly towrds the .270 with a comparison of the 6.5 being a 142 grn LR Accubond and a 250 yard zero with a 500 yard max in both cartridges

But it's really a wash


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Hornady is a good resource for a comparison.

They have tons of both rounds available as factory ammunition, and load data.

Almost every 6.5 Creedmoor rifle built, has the right barrel twist to shoot VLD bullets common in the 6.5 Creedmoor.

Most 270s will not have the right twist to take advantage of the newest VLD 270 bullets.

Eventually at 500 plus yards the majority of 6.5 CM loads beat the 270. In a rifle with the correct twist, and with the top end 270 bullets the 270 is a better mouse trap for long range.

The 284's have always had way more bullets than the 277s. Because of the resurgance of the 6.5's, this is also true of the 6.5s.

I think if you are buying a factory rifle to shoot long range you are better off with a 6.5. If you are building one, and loading your own the 270 is hands down better.
 
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Superior for what? Long range targets, deer hunting, elk hunting, reloading, factory ammo availability? .
 
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When I left the Mojave Desert, there was far more 6.5 Creedmoor on the shelves of everyone that 270. Walmart was the only place to buy 270.
 
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For hunting the answer is a simple application of physics. the 270Win has a 25% larger case volume and larger diameter. This isn't a contest. 270Win. For target and lower recoil a case might be made for the 6.5Creed, but not for hunting.

I would vote the same in a comparison between 270Win and 7-08, since the 270 has a 20% larger case volume.


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right that all depends on what you want to do with it.
I also own a .260 rem. and a 7mm-08.
I will take my 7mm-08 over a 270 win. any day..
there is not much comparison there.
more like .260 rem vs. 6.5 creedmoor or 270 win. vs. 280 rem
 
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As far as the 270 vs 7mm-08 in my opinion there's no contest from a hunting performance perspective. The 270 is superior in every way. Lots of folks love the 7x57 Mauser too. I respect that. I'm a 270 fan, yet I realize the 280 Remington is a slightly better cartridge. It just never really caught on. I don't know why anyone would shoot a 7mm-08 instead of a 280 Remington unless it's the fact that it has less recoil.


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Inside of 350 yards which is my general limitation there is no difference. Ginger or Mary Ann?


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I shoot an U/L custom 7-08, three custom .280Rems.two custom P-64 Fwt. 270s, just sold a third and my beloved Kimber MA in 280AI plus two custom 7x57s.

My only 6.5s in 53 years of gun ownership were a Mannlicher-Schonauer, MCA-1961 in 6.5x55 (NOT a misprint) and my P-64 Westerner, an early specimen in .264WM.

I would never choose a 6.5 CM over any of these and prefer the .280, .270Win. and 280AI with good handloads over any other non-magnum rounds.

With RE-26, one can get outstanding ballistics from all of these.
 
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I find it odd that we treat the 270 Win as some sort of moribund caliber; not a worthy competitor in today's world. I see it among Blaser owners as well...barrels trade hands like candy among owners, but you can't give away a barrel in 270 Win. I'll bet if someone were to change the name, load it with modern powders and bullets, and publish the ballistics, it would become the latest "gotta have' caliber.
 
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I'll bet if someone were to change the name, load it with modern powders and bullets, and publish the ballistics, it would become the latest "gotta have' caliber.


Biebs,

In my older age, I think of the 270 as the ultimate all-around sub-30 hunting round, a magnum performer.

I know it's not a "magnum" with a .511" case body plus belt, but down at .277" a cartridge doesn't need much more capacity. A modern monolithic bullet at 129-130 grains will do it all, penetrate right though, and travel at 3100-3125fps. That is magnum hunting. You can load them another +100fps, but everything depends on the accuracy node of the rifle. It's on the light side, of course, since it is only .277". For smaller deer and antelope the 110TTSX just sings at 3300fps. Again, that is magnum hunting. In a standard -06-ish case. I'm an Elmer fan, especially in Africa, but I must admit that Jack got it right on the 270.


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I've been handloading 150g Partitions in my 270 to 3000 fps for longer than I can remember. It's my only big game load. It's a definite, deer, elk and black bear killer. Never needed two shots, except if the animal is down but not quite dead and suffering, giving it a finishing shot. I've never had a 6.5 Creedmoor but it looks like one heck of a good round too


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[QUOTE]magnum performer.

I'm an Elmer fan, especially in Africa, but I must admit that Jack got it right on the 270.


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WHERE'S the comparison????

Comparing the Creedmoor with a 6.5-08/260 Rem or the 270 with a 284/280/7mm Rem are comparisons...comparing a ~60 gr case with a ~70 grain case is like comparing a 350cc Chebby to a 454cc Chebby...apples to cantaloupe.

All I have to do is play with the barrel length a bit and I can reverse the velos...a long barreled 6.5 will stomp the sh** out of a short barreled 270, but it's STILL a 270 or a 6.5 Creed...WHAT THE HE** DOES THAT EVEN MEAN...COMPARISON???

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I don't know why anyone would shoot a 7mm-08 instead of a 280 Remington unless it's the fact that it has less recoil.


its a short action.. im pushing 140s at almost 2900 fps with a 24 in. barrel. i do load for a .280 with a 22 in. with only 100 fps faster.. speed don't kill. its bullet placement.. i also pick a 308 over a 30-06 and i load for both.. there again, 150 grain bullet only about 100-150 fps slower. at 350-400 yards the animal will never know the difference
 
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I am more of a 30/06 guy. I have also leaned to the two and a half inch cartridges over the "308" case leagth rounds.

I have a soft spot in my heart for the 7/08, it was the first rifle I bought my wife. And it has done well at a sedate 2770 FPS bt loads for neck shooting deer. But it really is fighting a losing battle to the 270,

That said we have a beautiful 270 Supergrade we are taking to Austria this year with 140 grain Accubonds for fallow deer. The 6.5 creed would be great in an AR-10, but that is not what people think about when they think 6.5 creed. But for my taste in rifles at 400 yard and in, I have really fallen for the 270. Good velocity, low recoil, high energy. I favor it with 140 grain bullets over a true or magnum 7mm. The big 7s in my humble opinion start with 162 grain bullets.

I leave it to the long range guys to decide if the ballistic magic of the 140 6.5 creed wins the day way down there, but I lean toward the larger case making up the difference.
 
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Compare the 6.5 C to a 257 Roberts or 250-3000 would be a better conversation..


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Can't imagine why I'd get a 270 over a 30-06. It's only a difference of 4" at 400 yards.
 
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Big Grin

See what I mean...30 cal vs 270 cal...medium case against larger case and 25 cal vs 6,5 cal... when will it ever end????? Eeker

This comparison "stuff" is a good excuse to build/buy another rifle...if an excuse is ever needed. Cool

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I don't know why anyone would shoot a 7mm-08 instead of a 280 Remington unless it's the fact that it has less recoil.



its a short action..


When we looked for a Tikka rifle for my wife it turned out that the short rounds (7-08, etc) and long rounds (270) used the same action and were the same weight.

Of course, many manufacturers produce a shorter action for the rounds with 2.02" cases. That probably explains the dearth of US rifles these days for the Bob (2.23") and the Swede (2.17"), two great calibers even at factory loads of 54k psi. Why all the fuss about a 1.92" case with almost no body taper yet remaining with less capacity? (OK, the target crowd can play with the Creed. With its 0.008" body taper spread out over 1.5" and spanking pressures of 62k-psi.) Physics is still physics and a handloaded Bob or Swede still works wonders, too.

PS: At least too much of a good thing [smallness?] has not led anyone to promote the 6.5 Grendel in this thread. Let the target shooters enjoy the lower recoiling.


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I don't know why anyone would shoot a 7mm-08 instead of a 280 Remington unless it's the fact that it has less recoil.


The recoil difference is marginal. The real advantage is the ability to use a short action and a rifle designed around the shorter cartridge.
 
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I don't know why anyone would shoot a 7mm-08 instead of a 280 Remington unless it's the fact that it has less recoil.



its a short action..


When we looked for a Tikka rifle for my wife it turned out that the short rounds (7-08, etc) and long rounds (270) used the same action and were the same weight.

Of course, many manufacturers produce a shorter action for the rounds with 2.02" cases. That probably explains the dearth of US rifles these days for the Bob (2.23") and the Swede (2.17"), two great calibers even at factory loads of 54k psi. Why all the fuss about a 1.92" case with almost no body taper yet remaining with less capacity? (OK, the target crowd can play with the Creed. With its 0.008" body taper spread out over 1.5" and spanking pressures of 62k-psi.) Physics is still physics and a handloaded Bob or Swede still works wonders, too.

PS: At least too much of a good thing [smallness?] has not led anyone to promote the 6.5 Grendel in this thread. Let the target shooters enjoy the lower recoiling.



I definitely vote 6.5 Creedmoor. Hands down ! My little stainless Hawkeye is a caribou killing machine. Turning in consistent 1 shot kills. And Thats after I chopped the barrel back to 18.6". Since at 300 yards I've gotten around 45" of penetration AND exit going lengthwise thru the body of a good size meat bull . With the 130 gr TSX Flat Base that has a MV of 2775 fps . The bull turned and dropped. I honestly totally fail to see how a 270 would in Any way possible work better than that !! It is SOOOO easy to shoot the 6.5 Creedmoor or 260 Remington or 6.5×47 or 6.5×55 Very well !! Every bit as easy as shooting a 243. And the 6.5 just does a great job of killing game without making a big mess out of the meat. At least with the bullets I shoot.

Now I really like the 270 and consider it a great cartridge. One that I don't see any shortage of where I hunt.
But as far as killing ability it won't kill any animal , any faster than the 6.5s
Neither one of them is a 338 . They both work great .
Yes the 6.5 is "designed" as a target competition round. But that in now way impedes it from being a Great hunting round.
With a good quick twist barrel , the 270 with the right bullets can be a good long range round . but with the normal twist rates it can't stabilise good modern super high BC bullets.

So, I'm not dishing anyone's 270 . But the 6.5 is just better ;-)


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They are both great rounds. Ballistics will go with the 270 because the case has more capacity. I own them both and like them both. The Creedmoor is a sweetheart of a cartridge though. It fits a short action with no compromise.

As for killing efficiency both should do well depending on shot placement and choice of bullets. Choose a bad bullet or hiccup at the wrong time and send it to the wrong place and you are in for a bad time.

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They are both great rounds. Ballistics will go with the 270 because the case has more capacity. I own them both and like them both. The Creedmoor is a sweetheart of a cartridge though. It fits a short action with no compromise.

As for killing efficiency both should do well depending on shot placement and choice of bullets. Choose a bad bullet or hiccup at the wrong time and send it to the wrong place and you are in for a bad time.

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Ballistics only go to the 270 for the first 400-500 yards. After that the 6.5 CM kicks it's ass because of BC.

Shooting Bergers the 270 would probably always win. Any other bullet the advantage will be to the 6.5.
 
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Except in semi auto rifles, I do not see a hunting world advantage in the sort action/308 based cartidges. You loose capacity and bullet weight. I run my bolt actions the same way like I am going to let an angel out of th chamber and keep the devil in. Bolt comes back fast and when it hits the bolt stop straight home when steel tells me the bolt is back to the chamber down it turns. This is all done in one motion. My hand never leaves the bolt. I know I am young and inexperienced, but I am good at it. I have the boar to prove it.

For long range shooting a shorter action in theory, all things being equal, should be stiffer, create less vibration, and be more or superiorly accurate. At least, that is what I have been told. But I am only so accurate and need to only be so accurate. So, between the two pass me the 270.

I agree the 30/06 is a little bit more thanks in large part to 180 plus grain bullets. My 30/06 has never shot a 150 grain bullet. I am not convinced there is much difference between a 277 150 grain bullet at 2850 and a 308 150 grain bullet at 2900 fps. But I have taken the 30/06 out, and it has had its fun. For this hunt the 270 supergrade gets a turn. Got to be fair and love them all equally.

I remember when superformance ammo first came out. Someone from Petersons Hunting took the 6.5 creed out for elk (Van Zowl, I think but not sure). I remember the reader mail in fire back section was very upset at such a small cartridge being used on elk. I say it is a bit light, but now that we are fully in this new small bore fast cartidge era, I bet it would be better recieved. I make no judgements (use what you want, be a responsible shooter, and get it over as quickly as possible); just wandering.
 
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I think the 6.5 Creedmoor is plenty for elk as long as you stick with broadside or quartering shots and good bullets. When I moved up to a 270 for elk, it was primarily because there were grizzlies in the area. I was young and immortal but that 270 seemed like a big gun to me back then.


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Superior for what? Long range targets, deer hunting, elk hunting, reloading, factory ammo availability? .

+1 You nailed it, IMO.
 
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All of the above ...


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Inside of 350 yards which is my general limitation there is no difference. Ginger or Mary Ann?


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I do enjoy reading these debates. except in a debate, both sides present their data, and in the end, a decision is made as to which is better. that will never be the case here....which is why i have to keep telling my wife that yes, in fact, i do NEED another rifle!

T/C is offering a 6.5CM in their Dimension platform, and will hopefully be out soon. i'll be picking one of those up, because, why not? it may replace my .243win as my antelope rifle. it will not be going after elk, that is the 7RM and 338 RUM' job.

but to sort of piggyback on this discussion....

my neighbor is a bow-hunter. but he wants one rifle to expand his seasons a bit. but he is not into collecting, he wants one do-all rifle.

i said .300wm... but i am not sure if he'll go for a magnum round, he does not seem to want to deal with recoil too much. i have a difficult time recommending a .260 or 6.5Cm for elk just because it "seems" small, even though i see more and more people killing elk with them. the .270 with a faster twist barrel or the old '06 seem like good options, with plenty of factory ammo offerings around (he will not be rolling his own). i keep telling him this is why we need multiple rifles, so we do not have to make the difficult decision to choose just one rifle...
 
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Sounds like the 270 will do the bowhunter just fine.
Low recoil, and he already knows how to be careful with shots.


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Sounds like the 270 will do the bowhunter just fine.
Low recoil, and he already knows how to be careful with shots.

+1 Especially if he is not going to reload. It's always fun to look at new rifles/calibers but if DG is not on the table, it's hard to make a case for anything but a 270. Probably the reason you don't hear more about the cartridge is it just gets the job done. No fuss, no bother.


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I seem to go for the underdog calibers and have yet to be disappointed. I have a 7mm-08 rather than a 280 Win. I have a 358 Winchester rather than a 35 Whelen and I also have a 9.3x62 instead of a 375 H&H. These calibers all work just fine on game when used in the right situations. So, I feel comfortable with my 6.5 CM over a .270. I'm sure the 270 is a fine caliber and that I would be happy with it as well. I just don't see a need for it with what I already have in my safe.


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I seem to go for the underdog calibers and have yet to be disappointed. I have a 7mm-08 rather than a 280 Win. I have a 358 Winchester rather than a 35 Whelen and I also have a 9.3x62 instead of a 375 H&H. These calibers all work just fine on game when used in the right situations. So, I feel comfortable with my 6.5 CM over a .270. I'm sure the 270 is a fine caliber and that I would be happy with it as well. I just don't see a need for it with what I already have in my safe.


Me too, I went with a 500 Jeffery instead of a 505 Gibbs ... glad for the lower recoil


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I seem to go for the calibers designed for a diameter.
A 270Win as a 270,
a 338WM as a 338,
a 416 Rigby as a 416

I'd probably do the Bob for .257 and the Swede for 6.5.

Variations all work, too, of course (6.8, 338Fed, 416Rem, etc.).


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So how would you define superior?
If you define superior by bigger bullet more case capacity we should all be shooting 50 bmg.
I have a bunch of deer rifles. .257 Roberts.270 308. 06.
They all work just fine. Dead is dead. ...tj3006
 
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Before the 243 was popping prairie dogs,
- and the 308 was not yet rat-tat-tating,
the deer were falling to the 257Roberts.

Pressures were very low in those days, so if I were building one today I would either chamber the 257 AckleyImproved version, or get a strong factory 257Roberts and handload to 60-65k-psi. The 257 Ackley is a better hunting design than the 6.5Creedmore, with 16% more capacity [just shy of the 25-06], and the 257Bob has more, too, with 9% more than the Creed. With todays' pressures and powders, imagine a 100gnTTSX at 3350fps, or a 115TTSX at 3150fps in a standard chamber Roberts.

The Bob made a great starting rifle for kids. They could graduate to a 270, -06, or 338 later.


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