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If we are adding in brass production, make it the 350 Rigby... | |||
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I’d buy a Ruger in .350 Rigby, especially with the thought that someone of the major manufacturers would support it with ammo. Undoubtedly I’d have to have it restocked, but still... If I didn’t already have a .318, that would be good as well. .35 Whelen is too easy to get for me to want that- any ‘06 with a rebarrel. | |||
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Heym, I didn't start the thread, and I read it as not actually soliciting for orders; just testing the waters. And from what I see, there is no way to get any reasonable number of one thing at all. Even 20. Logistics? More like Operations (G3): you need someone to act as the manager and confirm orders; since no one here probably wants to shell out tens of thousands of dollars of their own money as the down payment, a deposit will need to be collected. Then the order is placed with the distributor. After all that is done, the Log (G4) is the easy part. | |||
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I agree with ALF, that any cartridge without factory ammo support would be dead in the water. That sadly may exclude some good rounds like the 318 WR, 350 Rigby, etc. It sure would be nice if Hornady picked up ammo production of one of those carts along with the rifle release, like they did with the 275 Rigby. But that still leaves some of the others such as 35 Whelen, 358 Norma, 338-06, etc. that do offer factory ammo, albeit, small offerings. | |||
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I am in contact with the right people; after the Holidays I will know more. You guys need to get your act together and decide on ONE thing. I want it to be 10.68; I can make ammo. Think about how rare such a beast would be...... Factory ammo is not needed; just brass, for AR members that is. | |||
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As the OP, I indeed did not see this thread as an attempt to get an order going with Ruger, but rather as dpcd said, a 'testing of the waters' so to speak, and perhaps a bit of daydreaming for all of us! I'm sure Lipseys has already picked their next cartridge for 2020, but maybe our conversations could possibly influence next year's choice (if they continue this process). Fingers crossed. | |||
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Surprised that .404 Jeffery didn't get any "African" attention. Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can. | |||
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8x68 Mike  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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While I wouldn't be a customer, the .470 Nitro express would be interesting..... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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8x68 I can do for you now. 470 in a Ruger 77? Since I am not one to watch things happen, but rather one that makes things happen, I am doing the research. | |||
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I think this is because everyone knows that Ruger’s long action is dead and buried for ever and ever. Hence my suggestion for a nine pound 416 Ruger. I would go for such a Ruger rifle in either round. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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A friend and I went in on a case of the last run of RWS 10.75x68 ammo. Cases made from belted mag brass are available from Buffalo arms. Reimer Johansson is selling Horneber brass, but one would have to convince someone like Steve Bertram or NECG to import it. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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A 7x64 Brenneke and 9.3x64 Brenneke pair. Between the two they would do pretty much anything that needs doing, and both have been around long enough to now be classic cartridges. Brass, bullets, and loaded ammunition are also available. | |||
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The 470 AccRel fits in a 77, no problem and it's easy to download to 2150, just saying #dumptrump opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Come on guys, only 6.5's sell. 6.5 Messner Magnum. Although, I would pony up for a 9.3X64 Brenneke. Jeremy | |||
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If I understand, DPCD's comments correctly - Ruger will do any chambering if you order 100 rifles; therefore, commercial viability of brass is irrelevant. Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I just wish they’d do a run of higher grade Turkish Walnut stocks for people who were sorely disappointed with the wood on the ones we already have. A run of one piece bottom metal would be nice too. It would be worth the extra $ if they would send the actions to Turnbull to be case colored too. It’s nice to dream. All We Know Is All We Are | |||
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Come on... You know you want a factory 400 Whelen... Admit it!  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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With kids in high school and college, it was REALLY TOUGH for me to get my wife to let me get a 2019 African. If the price point doubles, I, and many others, will be priced out of the market, and there won’t be enough folks to justify a group buy. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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That would be cool! Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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I would love to have one in 318 WR. I emailed Lipsey's a couple of years ago about it and was told that Ruger needs factory ammo to test barrels and since no factory ammo no rifles chambered in 318 WR. If we could get Hornady to make a run of ammo, then maybe it would happen. Lipsey's did tell me that 35 Whelen and the 30-06 are on the list to be made. I would also like to see one in 257 Roberts. | |||
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Let’s hope they get the Whelen twist right. I would give a nut to have a fine matching pair in 35 and 400 Whelen. (Pun?) I do admit the 318 WR would be desirable because of it’s historical importance. https://revivaler.com/318-west...ards-magazine-rifle/  
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Uncommon chamberings that might or will shoehorn in 318 WR 333 Jeffery 404 Jeffery 400 Whelen 303 Brit 350 Rigby 400 Whelen 425 WR 300 HH 10.75x68 Of this list I would like to see 318 WR 333 Jeffery 404 Jeffery 350 Rigby 400 Whelen 425 WR 10.75x68 I would think would be bad ass 333 Jeffery 404 Jeffery 425 WR 10.75x68 Selfishly I would like to see 350 Rigby 400 Whelen 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boomie, You just saved Lipseys a lot of time. You just gave them the list for the next 10 years. For no charge. But where is the 338-06! | |||
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338-06 is too close to the 318 WR  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I know its wishful thinking, but Hornady already makes a 205 grain .330 bullet and 318 brass is easily made from 30-06, I believe you could see a mild resurgence in interest in the 318 express if Hornady would make the ammo. DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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8mm Remington or 10.75x68 | |||
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Since the 2020 rifle will be the 35 Whelen, and most folks (myself included) want a dead cartridge, i.e. 318 WR, 350 Rigby, 10.75x68. etc, let’s just get Ruger to do a run of 458 Win for 2021, and maybe by 2022 we can all come to an agreement on which dead cartridge we want to temporarily resuscitate!  Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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I told the Hornady guys at DSC they should start loading 318 Rimless Nitro Express. A few thousand more votes and it could happen. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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I support the plan of raising the dead. Maybe vote on a dead raising list for year priority. What are your dead cart nominations? These would be my nominations in order of bullet diameter; 425 WR single stack, removable magazine. 10.75x68 double stack, drop belly 400 Whelen stripper clip fed. 350 Rigby All with premium hardware and wood.
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Ive built and hunted with the 10.75x68 and Im impressed with it..Its ballistics are the same as the original 404 Jefferys..I shot the 350 gr. Barnes X at 2350, and the 400 gr. Woodleih at 2239 in one gun and 2300 in the other that had a 27" skinny barrel... I like the fact that I could get 5 down with one up the tube with a little custom work, but 4 down in a Mauser without a problem. Recoil was very tolerable, about like a 375 H&H IMO, and in a light rifle. I also had a German Mauser that was skinny of wood and metal, handled like a dream, but it kicked a bit as one would suspect...the caliber performed on PG and a couple of buffalo as well as anything else..I'll buy one....If not then I think a 358 Norma fits my bill..Never owned one and never shot anything with one, but I know it just has to be a hammer on buffalo and whatever.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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ColoradoMatt, Has the 35 Whelen been announced by Lipseys? Ray, if it's not the Whelen, then yes please, let it be the 358NM!!!  | |||
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If the 2020 rifle is going to be the 35 Whelen, being particle about this I submit the 338/06. The cartridge has been submitted to SAMMI. Nosler/Norma make brass. Performance stands eye to eye with the 318 Westley Richards. I always liked the 333 Jeffery to be different over the 318 WR. Neither is really an option without brass from a major. 8mm Rem based cases are not an option. Ruger would not open up the 30/06 length Hawkeye for such cartridges. The full length 375 Ruger case would have to be used for a 7,8,35 magnum. Or a short,belted magnum. | |||
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My local dealer, who sells a ton of Lipsey’s exclusives tells me the Whelen will be made this year. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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Thanks ColoradoMatt!! Wow, what a cool surprise! 35 Whelen!!  Once again, I am wrong, it's not the 30-06. Glad I didn't take up fortune telling as a vocation... | |||
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A good point was raised about brass and bullet availability. Out of all the dead cartridges what cartridges do you think that Ruger would be most likely to develop with Hornady? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boomie, Dead cartridge list? Being an unapologetic 35 cal. fan, I guess I'd vote for the 350 Rigby & 350 G&H. As for Ruger & Hornady bringing back a dead cart, if we consider the 358 Norma Mag. obsolete (in NA), I would think it has a really good chance. Better than others that I can think of for now. | |||
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Methinks Ruger would use an 06 action length action or 3.34” ish is my guess. Ruger would not want any cart that would cannibalize their other pet cartridges as well. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Obsolete cartridges that still have a cult following.
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The 10.75x68 would certainly peak my interest. It would fit nicely with my 6.5x68 and I'm waiting on the barrel for my 8x68 build. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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