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How light a trigger, G 20. ?
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Currently I have the standard oem trigger in my G 20, I would like opinions/experiences , about the 3.5 lb connector. Wether it would be advantagous to install one in my pistol for general purpose and hunting.
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No unless you are target shooting too light a trigger can be detrimental. Especially in a self-defense situation. To easy to fire a shot prematurely.

I own 6 glocks only one has the 3.5 and I can't tell the difference between that ones trigger and the 5lb triggers.

But then I use 12lb double action revolver triggers with out trouble.
 
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Thanks P dog . ! .
So, on a trigger pull guage , the 3.5 lb is the same as the factory trigger ?


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No, that is not what he said. He said HIS FINGER can't tell the difference and I know what he means. There is not much difference in a 1.5 lb difference between the 5 lb factory and the 3.5lb lightened one. I agree, that a 3.5lb trigger is too light for a self defense pistol and even light for hunting.
 
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I had assumed that since most hunting handguns are shot single action that it may be a good idea.


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
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I see no problems with my G19 or G40 Longslide with the factory triggers, for SD or hunting purposes. That is why I bought the G40, specifically for hunting mid sized game. It's hard to equate the trigger of a pistol with that of a revolver shot in single action..two very different animals.
 
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OK. Perhaps there's something I'm missing .


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
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No, that is not what he said. He said HIS FINGER can't tell the difference and I know what he means. There is not much difference in a 1.5 lb difference between the 5 lb factory and the 3.5lb lightened one. I agree, that a 3.5lb trigger is too light for a self defense pistol and even light for hunting.


I disagree. I can most certainly tell a difference in a 5 pound trigger compared to a 3.5 pound trigger. 1.5 pound difference is a big difference.

For me a 3.5 pound trigger is not to light, in fact mine are lower than that.


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I have to agree with jwp. There is a big difference between 5 and 3.5 lbs. I don't consider 3.5 to be anywhere near too light for a hunting application. I will assume hunting is all that we are discussing here seeing that this is the handgun hunting forum. That said, none of my hunting handguns have triggers heavier than 2.5 lbs.



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I do not like the feel of the factory Glock five pound trigger. The 3.5lb is a big improvement imo and not to light. Try it, if you don't like it, switch it back.

The 3.5 pound connector comes stock on the models 34 & 35 if memory serves correctly. I don't think there's a safety issue unless you are ham-handed.
 
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. Ya, I guess I'll give it a try . . . I figured there would be 100% positive feedback for the lighter trigger.
Thanks all.
Glen.


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
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I put the 3.5 connector in all of my Glocks. It just feels better to me. For my 19 I also did all of the polishing to bring the pull down lower yet. You do have to remember that it is mostly in what you get used to and the muscle memory involved.

When I competed, that Glock trigger was around 2#, but that was a while back. If you change it, as someone else said, you can change it back, but the key is always lots of practice.


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I think when I get the 40 S+W barrel for it I'll put in the 3.5 lb connector.
Thanks for all the replies.


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
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I owned a Glock 20 and sold it and bought a Glock 40. In the 20, I first tried what is referred to as the "25 cent trigger job" polishing everything. Then I installed a Ghost 3.5 pound connector and it improved things some over the original trigger but still not to my liking. So, I removed it and installed a Zev tech Fulcrum adjustable trigger. It reduced the creep, eliminated the overtravel and reduced the trigger pull weight a bit. The full length of travel on the trigger now is about 1/4 inch. It's a big improvement over the original trigger. I went through the same drill on the G40 and ended up with the Zev Tech again.

The trigger pull is not as good as a 1911 or a single action revolver but it's a big improvement over the stock Glock trigger. I think it's just a matter of what kind of trigger pull you prefer.
 
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Thanks P dog . ! .
So, on a trigger pull guage , the 3.5 lb is the same as the factory trigger ?


What I am saying for real life shooting except for precision target work I can not tell the difference.

Then of course I shoot double action revolvers double action well also. So a 5lb pound clock trigger is nothing.

For a strictly hunting hand gun a lighter trigger is find but you add general purpose into the situation that would include self-defense.

To light a trigger in that situation could be detrimental.
 
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Thanks for the replies. I watched some You. Tube vids on that trigger and others . It seems most of them reduce the trigger pull weight down to around 4+ lbs . I won't fool with the striker spring as regardless what primer I use . The gun absolutely Must ALWAYS go Bang. And Ive never had a problem with the oem striker spring doing just that.
I've been thinking about pistol accuracy some lately as the front sight seems to get fuzzier with each year that passes. So I've been thinking about an optical sight or perhaps an express style ( big bead , shallow v rear) ect. . And have been thinking about wether a lighter trigger would help. Since a 3.5 lb connector kit is the least expensive option .


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
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I had a 3.5 connector installed in my 40SW Glock and it was a major improvement. I use it mainly for Self Defence and find it about perfect. It improved my groups at the range also.
 
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Sep, thanks for that intel. G40 inbound.


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3.5 is a great upgrade. Dad has one in his 40 and it makes me miss my Glock. Wish I would have changed that when I had my last one.


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Sounds like the lighter trigger is the way to go.


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
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I had a 3.5 connector installed in my 40SW Glock and it was a major improvement. I use it mainly for Self Defence and find it about perfect. It improved my groups at the range also.


Have you ever used it in a self defense situation or have you just carried it in your self-defense pistol.
 
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I'm not understanding what the deviding line is . For self defense purposes , I keep my finger off the trigger until its time to shoot.
If a 1911 or other single action can serve as a defense pistol. I don't know what problem a 3.5 lb connector would pose in a Glock ??


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
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Well if you ever studied high energy dynamic situations your fine motor skills are the first to go.

Rounds fired justly are not a problem, rounds fired because you gripped your gun a bit hard because your finger was a bit cold or you loss your fine motor skills. You slipped or fell or had a sympathetic muscle response.

Could very well lead to prosecution, law suits and other bad things happening.

Carry what ever weight trigger you want but it isn't a very good excuse in court when trying to explain why you triggered an unintended round.
 
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I see.


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
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I'm going to add the Lone Wolf 3.5 connector, the Glock extended slide stop and the stainless steel guide rod to my G40, along with a reflex sight -- likely the Burris Fastfire III. This is primarily a hunting rig.


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Ive been thinking about building another pistol . Start with a gen 3 , G20 , put a milled slide and a threaded barrel and Lone Wolf muzzle brake. A 22 lb spring with ss guide rod and 3.5 lb connector. And probably a Vortex Venom sight .


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
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I have a McNally trigger in my Glock 40 which I intend to use for hunting. mostly hogs. Huge improvement over factory and well worth it IMO.


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It ain't the load, it's the shot (placement), mostly Wink .

That said, I plan on using 200gr Nosler or 180 Hornady until I change barrels, have 2 Lone Wolf I am going to try with cast bullets. I would recommend Blue Dot as a powder of choice for those bullets. Of course, the fact that I've got at least an 8 lb containers of it, doesn't hurt my choice either. Wink


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Charlie, I just got dies, brass and a box Hornady 180-grain XTPs and have heard 11 grains of Blue Dot is just the ticket. Also bought a Lone Wolf barrel for cast. And of course, shot placement is key.

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I like a 2.5 lb. trigger on my revolvers and rifles "for the most part"...On a big bore rifle or an auto pistol I want a 3.5 or 4....

BUT, I can adjust to about any trigger being raised shooting Win. lever actions, and milsurp Springfields and Mausers..


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I think I'll watch a couple vids on Glock trigger replacement and install the 3.5 lb connector that I I got and try it out.


Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle."
 
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I think I'll watch a couple vids on Glock trigger replacement and install the 3.5 lb connector that I I got and try it out.


They are easy to take out and replace I done it hundreds of times as a glock armorer
 
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I would never modify the trigger on a self defense purposed glock. Massad Ayoob has written extensively on the subject.
 
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On a defense pistol I would not mess with it, I would however buy a pistol that had a decent trigger pull. My old Browning HiPower has a crisp 4 lb. trigger and Im satisfied with that.


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Falling in love with a 3lb trigger on my FA 83 454, I had a difficult time adjusting to the-horrible trigger on my 1st G20. I did one of the slicked-up connectors for a while. I found and fell in love with a product called the Ultimate Pyramid trigger system. Find them on sale for around $200. Replaces the entire trigger mechanism, the striker, safety plunger, and striker spring-several to play with, I chose 6lb).

I like it and have replaced trigger systems on my two others-another G20, and a G29.
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What I do not like about Glock triggers is not the pull weight which could be adjusted, as already mentioned, but trigger travel.
 
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What I do not like about Glock triggers is not the pull weight which could be adjusted, as already mentioned, but trigger travel.


Those of use who shoot double action revolvers well double action have no trouble handling a Glock trigger.

If one can shoot a double action well one can shoot almost any thing well.

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I would never modify the trigger on a self defense purposed glock. Massad Ayoob has written extensively on the subject.

Yes, it's his job to write about such things.
That doesn't mean he's always right..
Most cops and lawyers will repeat such things, but few can show real life examples of it making any difference in the actual verdicts of an otherwise "good" self-defense shooting.

I have the 3.5 in my Glock 23 and it's never fired when I didn't want it to.

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