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454 Casull in a rifle loading ?
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I've been reloading for rifle, handgun, and shotgun for over 40 years. I recently picked up a Ruger #1, that's been rebarreled for the 454 Casull. I shoot this caliber in a revolver. I'm assuming any load that's safe in my revolver should be fine in a long gun. I know the velocities should be greater out of a long barrel. However, is there anything I should be aware of or look out for. Just looking for a little insight. Thanks, Dave
 
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Just shoot your revolver loads.

You could easily see a few hundred fps increase in velocity.
 
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If it were my rifle, even the very strong Ruger #1, the brass would be the problem. Even though the pressure drops after a few milliseconds of bullet movement the "extra time" the pressure stays higher due to the longer bullet is in a barrel, I would drop the load down to start with and look for pressure signs as you worked up to the max pistol loads.
Just saying....
I've been reloading since '64 and would hate to see anyone get hurt because of failed pistol brass.


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What powder are you using?
I don't know about 454 Casull, but in 500 S&W mag rifle loads some shooters are going from fast pistol powders to Accurate 1680 or CFE BLK. I like the latter. Cleaner and maybe lower pressure. Maybe this helps. brian


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Look up Leverguns articles. They had one on the 454 in the Rossi 92. If a Rossi can take the loads he listed, a No 1 certainly can.
 
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the 454 has a maximum pressure map.
all the firearms ever made in 454 are built to take that pressure just fine.
 
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The max sammi pressure for the .454 is 65,000 CUP. Thats up there with a 300 Weatherby and higher than most rifle ammo. Single action revolvers like a Ruger or Freedom Arms are way stronger than many people understand. You don't really need to load this one up to "rifle" pressures...LOL. Might want to load it down a little....
 
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You'll find there's a hell of a lot more

recoil in the rifle. I sure did with a .45 Colt.

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Originally posted by georgeld:
You'll find there's a hell of a lot more

recoil in the rifle. I sure did with a .45 Colt.

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I was really surprised how much my 44mag Ruger 96 carbine recoiled.
 
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Thanks for all the replies.
Gives me a few things to think about.
 
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I have an encore MGM 454 barrel 20 " I use IMR 4227. There's loading info for it in the Hornaday magazine loading guide. Great 100 yd.+ deer gun. I shoot 260 gr bullets between 1600-1900 FPS the book shows there is still room to go. I got it because where I live all the farms are being subdivided and you need a short range gun to safely hunt them. It does kick at the high end but not near as bad as the 460 S&W it replaced. If you handload I would use a slower pistol type powder like 4227 or something like it
 
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p dog shooter:

44 Mag recoil in rifle? Seriously?


Bitman:

Write down the load you use. I can check it with QuickLoad for long barrel.

Jiri
 
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I was surprised how sharp the recoil was in that little carbine.

Stock design or what ever it is really not very pleasant.

So yes seriously.

I have other pistol caliber carbines they are a joy to shoot.

That little Ruger is not
 
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I was surprised how sharp the recoil was in that little carbine.

Stock design or what ever it is really not very pleasant.

So yes seriously.

I have other pistol caliber carbines they are a joy to shoot.

That little Ruger is not


I agree. But it is carbine issue, not caliber issue at all.

For example: my friend has ZKK rifle in 7x64 caliber. That stock geometry or whatever I don't know is the reason I will not fire that rifle again (I have .585 Hubel Express, but when firing it, you expect something extraordinary, not with common 7x64 rifle). Just jumping from hands up, don't know how to describe accurately. On the other hand, I can shoot my .375 H&H CZ 550 with one hand, no recoil at all.

It is interesting stuff how change in stock geometry, wood grain or whatever make such a difference.

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Jiri,

The Ruger #1 has a 22" barrel. I've not shot it yet, but this is what I've loaded to try.
Hornady new brass
CCI S.R. Mag. primer
Win. 296 powder @ 35 gr. 35.5 gr. and 36 grains.
Hornady 240 grain XTP-Mag bullet
C.O.L. 1.750
I also loaded a few rounds with 14 grains of Unique for plinking.
Thanks, Dave
 
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Cartridge          : .454 Casull Magnum (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .452, 240, Hornady XTP MAG 45220
Useable Case Capaci: 34.596 grain H2O = 2.246 cm3
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.750 inch = 44.45 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Winchester 296

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0,694% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-06,9   98    33,50   2155    2474   38223   2766     92,3    1,206
-06,3   99    33,75   2171    2511   39226   2786     92,6    1,194
-05,6   99    34,00   2187    2549   40257   2805     92,9    1,182
-04,9  100    34,25   2203    2586   41317   2824     93,3    1,170
-04,2  101    34,50   2219    2625   42407   2843     93,6    1,158
-03,5  101    34,75   2235    2663   43528   2861     93,9    1,147
-02,8  102    35,00   2252    2702   44681   2879     94,2    1,136
-02,1  103    35,25   2268    2740   45868   2896     94,5    1,124
-01,4  104    35,50   2284    2780   47088   2913     94,8    1,113
-00,7  104    35,75   2300    2819   48345   2929     95,1    1,102
+00,0  105    36,00   2316    2859   49639   2945     95,3    1,092
+00,7  106    36,25   2332    2898   50971   2960     95,6    1,081
+01,4  107    36,50   2348    2939   52343   2975     95,9    1,071
+02,1  107    36,75   2364    2979   53756   2989     96,1    1,060
+02,8  108    37,00   2380    3020   55213   3003     96,4    1,050
+03,5  109    37,25   2396    3061   56714   3016     96,6    1,040  ! Near Maximum !
 
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Cartridge          : .454 Casull Magnum (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .452, 240, Hornady XTP MAG 45220
Useable Case Capaci: 34.596 grain H2O = 2.246 cm3
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.750 inch = 44.45 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Alliant UNIQUE

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1,563% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-15,6   66    13,50   1611    1383   28726   1127    100,0    1,505
-14,1   67    13,75   1628    1412   29737   1144    100,0    1,485
-12,5   68    14,00   1644    1441   30769   1160    100,0    1,465
-10,9   69    14,25   1661    1470   31820   1177    100,0    1,446
-09,4   71    14,50   1677    1499   32892   1193    100,0    1,428
-07,8   72    14,75   1694    1529   33985   1209    100,0    1,410
-06,3   73    15,00   1710    1558   35099   1226    100,0    1,393
-04,7   74    15,25   1726    1587   36233   1242    100,0    1,376
-03,1   75    15,50   1742    1616   37389   1258    100,0    1,360
-01,6   77    15,75   1757    1645   38567   1274    100,0    1,344
+00,0   78    16,00   1773    1675   39766   1290    100,0    1,329
+01,6   79    16,25   1788    1704   40987   1306    100,0    1,314
+03,1   80    16,50   1804    1733   42231   1322    100,0    1,300
+04,7   81    16,75   1819    1763   43498   1338    100,0    1,286
+06,3   83    17,00   1834    1792   44788   1354    100,0    1,272
+07,8   84    17,25   1849    1821   46101   1369    100,0    1,259
 
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Wow Jiri,

That quick load is really something.
Thanks, it's greatly appreciated.
Dave
 
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You are welcome.

QuickLoad notice: It is just simulation software. Doesn't count with different twist rates, primers, whatever.

I found it pretty accurate for some powders (VVN 105, 110...) and pretty inaccurate for another. Especially those with surface "nitroglycerine treatment", such as Alliant RL17 (Reload Swiss 60). Works for me good also for Hodgdon H110, which is now the exactly same as W296 (or W296 is H110). Developed a lot of loads for my .500 S&W revolver. It is absolutely accurate, but for standard primers only (CCI 200).

For example 44gr of H110 under Woodleigh 400gr bullet is estimated by QuickLoad for 1638 fps, I chronographed 1644 fps.

For RL-17 and .375 H&H with Swift A-frame, it is completely out. Because of it can't simulate that surface coating effect.

Jiri
 
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just use your revolver loads - the ruger #1 or #3 can take more, but don't --

h100/296 loads will surprise you

i had to tear down a bunch of 45 colt loads, as they where loaded for a blackhawk, and i got a 625-9 ... while it can take a +p once in a while, a couple hundred rounds would have ruined my favorite gun


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Jiri,

Just letting you know. I ordered the Quick Load software yesterday. I've heard of it for years, but never really knew what it did.
Thanks
 
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Bitman, I loaded some 454 rounds using the same Hornady 240 XTP and 35 grs 296. They chronod 2060 ft/sec from my Rossi 92. No issues, but the little carbine does jump!
 
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One of the most accurate bullets in my Rossi 92 is the Lee 300 gr gas checked bullet coupled with a near max load of H110 it does buck some. I did put a better recoil pad on it though.

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