I tested four different bullets today in my 22PPC using 16 grains of H-110.The bullets were 46gr Hp Berger. 52gr. Hp Berger, 40gr. Hp ?. and 34gr. Varmint Nite Mares.All shot OK but had frequent flyers.
If used on varmints at 200 yds.probably 20% would still be alive.
Tried Hornady's 139 grain Interlocks
in my 7X41 with a reasonable load of WCC846( BL-C-2 ). Funtastic. The rifle and load were more capable than the shooter but still got a five shot .400" grp. at 50 yds.
roger

any idea about the flyers?
ignition?
neck tension?
rifle?

H-110 is a great Mag. pistol powder that has to be loaded to full load density.

I expect in consistent ignition with he flyers.

H110/W296 work well for me in the 22 hornet and spitwad. It nearly fills the cases. It's probably a bit fast for the PPC. Something like A5744 usually works ok for reduced loads in bigger cartridges.

Although controversial with some (for reasons that are unclear), I've had excellent and consistent performance from Blue Dot in reduced loads for .22 centerfires. Unlike the denser H110/W296, the lighter Blue Dot fills more of the case which generally improves consistency of pressure and velocity.

I done some reduced rifle loads with H-110 a few years back.
it was pretty touchy to position and volume but it wasn't anything you couldn't work with if necessary.
oh the cartridges?
30-30/308/30-06.

anyway that's why I was asking if Roger had noticed any type of pattern to his flyers.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
H-110 is a great Mag. pistol powder that has to be loaded to full load density.

I expect in consistent ignition with he flyers.

I'm just guessing but I suspect you are right. roger

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:
Although controversial with some (for reasons that are unclear), I've had excellent and consistent performance from Blue Dot in reduced loads for .22 centerfires. Unlike the denser H110/W296, the lighter Blue Dot fills more of the case which generally improves consistency of pressure and velocity.

Following thru with Sea Fire's Blue Dot threads some years back, I did a lot of testing of Blue Dot in many rifles.As far as down loading and still maintaining accuracy It's just fine .
One big concern I had was throwing double loads. To combat that possibility I made graduated dole rods in many diameters to verify The powder height in each case.
The H-110 is a bit slower burning than Blue Dot and will allow you to use roughly 1.375X more powder by weight but it does't deliver the consistency in repeatability that Blue Dot does. roger

H110 is great in pistols, and .30 carbine.
I use it @ 12.5gr in the .30 for my Blackhawk. I can't handle the 19gr max loads. Just too stinging.

Same goes in the .45 Colt over 20gr with 250 and 330's.

Never used it in rifle cases.

George

H110 and ww296 do strange things when not at full loads or when there's too much space in the case.

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Originally posted by richj:
H110 and ww296 do strange things when not at full loads or when there's too much space in the case.

What you are saying is a good bit indicated by the data over a number of rifles.
The best data was with my 38 special rifle on a #3 Ruger action.The next was my 22 jet on a #1 Ruger action. There were, even with these, a small Number of flyers.
roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:

quote:

Originally posted by Stonecreek:
Although controversial with some (for reasons that are unclear), I've had excellent and consistent performance from Blue Dot in reduced loads for .22 centerfires. Unlike the denser H110/W296, the lighter Blue Dot fills more of the case which generally improves consistency of pressure and velocity.

Following thru with Sea Fire's Blue Dot threads some years back, I did a lot of testing of Blue Dot in many rifles.As far as down loading and still maintaining accuracy It's just fine .
One big concern I had was throwing double loads. To combat that possibility I made graduated dole rods in many diameters to verify The powder height in each case.
The H-110 is a bit slower burning than Blue Dot and will allow you to use roughly 1.375X more powder by weight but it does't deliver the consistency in repeatability that Blue Dot does. roger

I miss 'ol Seafire, and I remember those blue dot threads too. I settled on using it for some 223 loads, and 12.0 grs of Blue Dot would not fit in case if double charged (aka, I experimented with deliberately double charging one, and it spilled over when I tried it). I still have some loaded up in their own separate box in my shop.

Sea Fire's .223 data showing perhaps if you are loading 9 grains of Blue Dot behind a 55 gr. bullet and throw a double charge you may be in trouble IF you try to shoot it. roger

Blue Dot Range Report: 223 Caliber ( Full )

Bullet Weights Tested:
1. 35 grain Hornady V Max
2. 40 grain Hornady Vmax
3. 45 grain Sierra SP
4. 50 grain Sierra SMP
5. 52 grain Sierra Boat Tail Match
6. 55 grain Winchester FMJ

Rifle Used: Ruger 77 Mk 2, VT 26 inch Barrel, Stainless Steel First yr Model

Case: Lake City Surplus, previously fired

Primer: Remington 6 ½

Powder: Blue Dot

Charge Weight Tested: 4 grains to 14 grains.


Weather: Sunny, NO clouds, 80 degrees, NO wind,

Altitude: 2000 ft

Humidity: Very Low


Field Results:


35 grain Hornady V Max:

4 grs: 1284 fps
5 grs: 1488 fps
6 grs: 1862 fps
7 grs: 2163 fps
8 grs: 2392 fps

9 grs: 2636 fps
10 grs: 2722 fps
11 grs: 3076 fps
12 grs: 3205 fps
13 grs: NO Reading
14 grs: 3518 fps

15 grs: NO Reading, Too hot, Extractor Marks, Scrapped Case
16 grs: NO Reading, Too Hot Blew Primer


Hornady 40 grain Vmax:

4 grs: 1161 fps
5 grs: 1538 fps
6 grs: 1798 fps
7 grs: 2148 fps

8 grs: 2243 fps
9 grs: 2539 fps
10 grs: 2771 fps
11 grs: 2956 fps

12 grs: 3013 fps
13 grs: 3218 fps
14 grs: 3375 fps


Sierra 45 grain SP

4 grs: 1239 fps
5 grs: 1447 fps
6 grs: 1688 fps
7 grs: 1880 fps

8 grs: 2118 fps
9 grs: 2363 fps
10 grs: 2553 fps
11 grs: 2811 fps

12 grs: 2875 fps
13 grs: 3008 fps
14 grs: 3164 fps


Sierra 50 grains SMP

4 grs: 1064 fps
5 grs: 1345 fps
6 grs: 1624 fps
7 grs: 1788 fps

8 grs: 2033 fps
9 grs: 2257 fps
10 grs: 2466 fps
11 grs: 2655 fps
12 grs: 2779 fps

13 grs: 2882 fps
14 grs: 3038 fps


Sierra 52 grain Boattail Hollow Point Match

4 grs: 1061 fps
5grs: 1460 fps
6 grs: 1632 fps
7 grs: 1916 fps

8 grs: 2142 fps
9 grs: 2225 fps
10 gr: NO Reading
11 grs: 2673 fps

12 grs: 2782 fps
13 grs: 2879 fps
14 grs: 3012 fps


Winchester 55 grain FMJ

4 grs: 896 fps
5 grs: 1264 fps
6 grs: 1568 fps
7 grs: 1825 fps
8 grs: 1994 fps

9 grs: 2201 fps
10 grs: 2328 fps
11 grs: 2453 fps

12 grs: 2677 fps
13 grs: 2821 fps
14 grs: 2915 fps



Notes:

1. IN the evaluation of the 223, I came further to the conclusion of the versatility of the 223 in the use of training new shooters, and for a very versatile varmint caliber.
2. Essentially the 223 can be loaded to the specs of a 22 Long rifle, a 218 Bee, a 221 Fireball, a 222 Remington, a 22 Hornet, and a 22 Win Mag., while allowing the shooter to be able to pick the type of bullet that he prefers.
3. Bullets were limited to use of 35 grains to 55 grains. Heavier bullets will not serve any purpose unless a 223 is to be used for deer hunting. I do not believe that their would be a significant difference in the use of a 55 grain bullet vs a 60 grain bullet.
4. The recoil on the lighter loads using 4 to 6 grains of powder had minimal recoil if any at all. These would be ideal for young shooters being trained.
5. Noise level on the lighter loads ( 4 to 6 grains) were on par with a rim fire. An increase in noise level was very noticeable above 7 grains, but still very acceptable. ( No sounding like a rim fire any more)

Noted Observations:

1. It was noted but not considered part of the testing, with a tree used as a back stop for some of the testing, that all bullets ( 45 to 55 grains)penetrated thru the tree at a distance of 20 yds.
2. The diameter of the tree was measured at 5 inches.
3. The 40 grain Vmax loads failed to penetrate the tree at loads above 10 grs, above 2771 fps. However at 10 grains and less, the bullets penetrated thru the tree and did a large amount of damage ( like turning the wood into tooth picks) on the exit side of the tree. The penetration stopped at the 5 grain load.


Some of the Author’s Conclusions:

1. I learned some significant items beyond the versatility of the 223 with the bullets tested, but focusing on its use in the field, got some ideas.
2. A light rifle such as a Winchester Featherweight or Rugers Compact model with a 16.5 inch barrel or the Ultra Light with a 20 inch barrel would make a good combo with the use of Blue Dot.
3. Since the powder is burned cleanly in the first 10 to 12 inches of barrel, the shorter barrels are not handicappiing velocity in the lighter shorter rifles.
4. The penetration of the 40 grain Vmax into the tree did make me ponder the use of those plastic tip varmint rounds as potential loads for small deer for youth shooters. Just like my observations in the larger calibers, the plastic tipped bullet seem to do a lot more damage, at velocities under 2700 fps. The Vmax surprised me. This is a decision any shooter will have to test on his own and make their own decisions. I am just passing on that I saw potential merit in the application.
5. Although one has to weigh out the potential of Plastic Tipped Varmint bullets on bigger game like deer and antelope, some of these loads in life rifles, utilizing Barnes’s X bullets in 22 caliber I can recommend. They make a 45 grain, 50 grain and 53 grain bullet. The way I saw much better penetration and more damage in wood, at the lower range velocities, 2200 to 2700 fps, this would make a good deer load in many parts of the USA, and recoil is minimal.


I did not test any bigger bullets as I feel that those tested would be represent the best potential with the powder. 60, 63, 64, 65 grain bullets and then the larger match bullets did not give what I considered useful velocity when I have shot them before with Blue Dot, in ratio to their field design uses.