Has anyone heard from or have knowledge of how Stu Taylor is doing?

Stu is heading down to Johannesburg on monday to see the specialist again .

I have just spoken to him he will send me a email tomorrow with a update on his condition which I will post for you.

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Originally posted by Frik Muller:
Stu is heading down to Johannesburg on monday to see the specialist again .

I have just spoken to him he will send me a email tomorrow with a update on his condition which I will post for you.

Thank you Frik.

I hope he is doing well.

Thanks Frik, he has my prayers, send my best.
Brad

Will be seeing him in a few weeks and will have more of an idea. His Emails usually have limited information.

will he be in camp?

Nigel Theisen told me that he saw him in Byo a week ago. He reported that his general health was fine but that he had limited use of the injured arm. Stu was headed back to Jo'berg to have it reevaluated.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
will he be in camp?

No but I will be in Bulawayo.

This is the update:-
I am traveling to South Africa for another check up.

Currently the movement is not improving and rotational movement is minimal. I continue to do physio and gym to try and build up strength in my shoulder.

Thank you to everyone on accurate reloading for your thoughts, prayers and donations.

My last operation the plate and some of the screws were removed and more bone was taken out of my shoulder.

Thanks again.

Regards,
Stu


I see Stu at least once a week his spirt is up ,and he is trying to set someyhing up on a small piece of land to try and do some market gardening so that he has some sort of income, as he still has a long road ahead of him his recover is very slow.I will give you some feedback on his visit to the specialist today ,once he gets back.

Any new info?
Been out of the loop for awhile.

I don't know anything new. The last I visited with him was a couple years ago.

The shoulder works but it will never be the way it was before he was shot.

He didn't have to, but he retook his Zim PH test and past with flying colors. This info came from another Zim PH who was at the range when the test was administered.

Last I heard he had no full time employment and was freelancing.

I know a lot of you were critical of him suing Tim Herald but as Larry Shores, Bakes, and Gunslinger can attest, I was bitten by a friend's dog in Australia on Aug 21, 2018. It required plastic surgery and an overnight in the hospital. My friend, Glenda, said in order for her insurance to pay for anything, I needed to file a lawsuit. She provided me the information needed to start that process. Does Glenda hate me now? Of course not. Is Bakes watching our for Rex? I hope so...

Stu got the shaft on this deal, pure and simple.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I know a lot of you were critical of him suing Tim Herald but as Larry Shores, Bakes, and Gunslinger can attest, I was bitten by a friend's dog in Australia on Aug 21, 2018. It required plastic surgery and an overnight in the hospital. My friend, Glenda, said in order for her insurance to pay for anything, I needed to file a lawsuit. She provided me the information needed to start that process. Does Glenda hate me now? Of course not. Is Bakes watching our for Rex? I hope so...

Stu got the shaft on this deal, pure and simple.

John, what we were critical of was Stu using the money we donated for his medical expenses to hire a lawyer to sue Tim. Not that he sued Tim.

At least that was my criticism.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I know a lot of you were critical of him suing Tim Herald but as Larry Shores, Bakes, and Gunslinger can attest, I was bitten by a friend's dog in Australia on Aug 21, 2018. It required plastic surgery and an overnight in the hospital. My friend, Glenda, said in order for her insurance to pay for anything, I needed to file a lawsuit. She provided me the information needed to start that process. Does Glenda hate me now? Of course not. Is Bakes watching our for Rex? I hope so...

Stu got the shaft on this deal, pure and simple.

John, what we were critical of was Stu using the money we donated for his medical expenses to hire a lawyer to sue Tim. Not that he sued Tim.

At least that was my criticism.

Do we know for sure that Stu used monies that were donated to him to instigate a suit against Tim?

If we feel we do know that Stu used donated monies,

Do we know if Tim told Stu to sue him so his insurance company would be forced to deal with Stu's injuries?


When you have been in business long enough, you see all the games the insurance companies play. Both those that insure us, and those that insure others.

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Originally posted by AilsaWheels:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I know a lot of you were critical of him suing Tim Herald but as Larry Shores, Bakes, and Gunslinger can attest, I was bitten by a friend's dog in Australia on Aug 21, 2018. It required plastic surgery and an overnight in the hospital. My friend, Glenda, said in order for her insurance to pay for anything, I needed to file a lawsuit. She provided me the information needed to start that process. Does Glenda hate me now? Of course not. Is Bakes watching our for Rex? I hope so...

Stu got the shaft on this deal, pure and simple.

John, what we were critical of was Stu using the money we donated for his medical expenses to hire a lawyer to sue Tim. Not that he sued Tim.

At least that was my criticism.

Do we know for sure that Stu used monies that were donated to him to instigate a suit against Tim?

If we feel we do know that Stu used donated monies,

Do we know if Tim told Stu to sue him so his insurance company would be forced to deal with Stu's injuries?


When you have been in business long enough, you see all the games the insurance companies play. Both those that insure us, and those that insure others.

I really don't want to be the guy that kicks off the pissing contest again as it got quite ugly before but a little searching will provide the info you seek.

Start here:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...991073591#2991073591

http://forums.accuratereloadin...791073591#5791073591

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by AilsaWheels:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I know a lot of you were critical of him suing Tim Herald but as Larry Shores, Bakes, and Gunslinger can attest, I was bitten by a friend's dog in Australia on Aug 21, 2018. It required plastic surgery and an overnight in the hospital. My friend, Glenda, said in order for her insurance to pay for anything, I needed to file a lawsuit. She provided me the information needed to start that process. Does Glenda hate me now? Of course not. Is Bakes watching our for Rex? I hope so...

Stu got the shaft on this deal, pure and simple.

John, what we were critical of was Stu using the money we donated for his medical expenses to hire a lawyer to sue Tim. Not that he sued Tim.

At least that was my criticism.

Do we know for sure that Stu used monies that were donated to him to instigate a suit against Tim?

If we feel we do know that Stu used donated monies,

Do we know if Tim told Stu to sue him so his insurance company would be forced to deal with Stu's injuries?


When you have been in business long enough, you see all the games the insurance companies play. Both those that insure us, and those that insure others.

I really don't want to be the guy that kicks off the pissing contest again as it got quite ugly before but a little searching will provide the info you seek.

Start here:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...991073591#2991073591

http://forums.accuratereloadin...791073591#5791073591

Thanks for the info. Agree that there is no need to relight a fire that has burned out.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I know a lot of you were critical of him suing Tim Herald but as Larry Shores, Bakes, and Gunslinger can attest, I was bitten by a friend's dog in Australia on Aug 21, 2018. It required plastic surgery and an overnight in the hospital. My friend, Glenda, said in order for her insurance to pay for anything, I needed to file a lawsuit. She provided me the information needed to start that process. Does Glenda hate me now? Of course not. Is Bakes watching our for Rex? I hope so...

Stu got the shaft on this deal, pure and simple.

John, what we were critical of was Stu using the money we donated for his medical expenses to hire a lawyer to sue Tim. Not that he sued Tim.

At least that was my criticism.

It certainly wasn't mine.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I know a lot of you were critical of him suing Tim Herald but as Larry Shores, Bakes, and Gunslinger can attest, I was bitten by a friend's dog in Australia on Aug 21, 2018. It required plastic surgery and an overnight in the hospital. My friend, Glenda, said in order for her insurance to pay for anything, I needed to file a lawsuit. She provided me the information needed to start that process. Does Glenda hate me now? Of course not. Is Bakes watching our for Rex? I hope so...

Stu got the shaft on this deal, pure and simple.

John, what we were critical of was Stu using the money we donated for his medical expenses to hire a lawyer to sue Tim. Not that he sued Tim.

At least that was my criticism.

It certainly wasn't mine.

The organization that was collecting money for him in the US - might be Conservation Force - stopped accepting money because the only bills they got back from him was for a lawyer.

I think one of their conditions are the donated money to be used for the treatment of the person affected, and NOT FOR LITIGATION!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I know a lot of you were critical of him suing Tim Herald but as Larry Shores, Bakes, and Gunslinger can attest, I was bitten by a friend's dog in Australia on Aug 21, 2018. It required plastic surgery and an overnight in the hospital. My friend, Glenda, said in order for her insurance to pay for anything, I needed to file a lawsuit. She provided me the information needed to start that process. Does Glenda hate me now? Of course not. Is Bakes watching our for Rex? I hope so...

Stu got the shaft on this deal, pure and simple.

John, what we were critical of was Stu using the money we donated for his medical expenses to hire a lawyer to sue Tim. Not that he sued Tim.

At least that was my criticism.

It certainly wasn't mine.

The organization that was collecting money for him in the US - might be Conservation Force - stopped accepting money because the only bills they got back from him was for a lawyer.

I think one of their conditions are the donated money to be used for the treatment of the person affected, and NOT FOR LITIGATION!

A good thing I didn't appeal to AR members to "contribute to my fund" I guess.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I know a lot of you were critical of him suing Tim Herald but as Larry Shores, Bakes, and Gunslinger can attest, I was bitten by a friend's dog in Australia on Aug 21, 2018. It required plastic surgery and an overnight in the hospital. My friend, Glenda, said in order for her insurance to pay for anything, I needed to file a lawsuit. She provided me the information needed to start that process. Does Glenda hate me now? Of course not. Is Bakes watching our for Rex? I hope so...

Stu got the shaft on this deal, pure and simple.

John, what we were critical of was Stu using the money we donated for his medical expenses to hire a lawyer to sue Tim. Not that he sued Tim.

At least that was my criticism.

It certainly wasn't mine.

The organization that was collecting money for him in the US - might be Conservation Force - stopped accepting money because the only bills they got back from him was for a lawyer.

I think one of their conditions are the donated money to be used for the treatment of the person affected, and NOT FOR LITIGATION!

A good thing I didn't appeal to AR members to "contribute to my fund" I guess.

What has AR got to do with this?

CF stopped collecting donations when they asked for receipts, and the only ones they got from a lawyer!!

I know some AR members have contributed to him, directly, without any middleman being involved.

Money is fungible, to think that someone should be exempt from pursuing legal action when they have been wronged by another simply because they received charity is ridiculous. On a higher level, for those giving charity to think they have the moral high ground to castigate the recipient shows the true nature of their giving, they think they are buying control over someone. Well played Guys.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Money is fungible, to think that someone should be exempt from pursuing legal action when they have been wronged by another simply because they received charity is ridiculous. On a higher level, for those giving charity to think they have the moral high ground to castigate the recipient shows the true nature of their giving, they think they are buying control over someone. Well played Guys.

I am not certain, but the conditions of Conservation Force dictate that money collected is for the sole use of the victim and his family.

Not legal expenses.

And I agree with them.

If someone gets hurt, and I wish to help them, I certainly do not wish to see my money going to some lawyer.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Money is fungible, to think that someone should be exempt from pursuing legal action when they have been wronged by another simply because they received charity is ridiculous. On a higher level, for those giving charity to think they have the moral high ground to castigate the recipient shows the true nature of their giving, they think they are buying control over someone. Well played Guys.

I am not certain, but the conditions of Conservation Force dictate that money collected is for the sole use of the victim and his family.

Not legal expenses.

And I agree with them.

If someone gets hurt, and I wish to help them, I certainly do not wish to see my money going to some lawyer.

This is an educated guess.

For money to go to CF it would have to be used for an exempt purpose as CF is a 501(c)3. Funding a personal injury lawsuit is highly unlikely to meet the requirement of exempt purpose.

A tough one...if donations (which would not recover the full cost of rehab/bills), were used to employ a method that did (lawsuit), I would say the end purpose of the initial donation (full recovery/no heavy bills) was served.

But I can understand the criticism - not a good place for anyone to be in.

Well, this discussion got ugly before and I guess it's going to again.

Speaking for myself and only myself here.

Did Stu have a right to sue Tim to recover damages. Yes. 100%. I don't deny that at all.

But, when the incident happened, there was a call to help Stu financially. The picture painted at the time was that he did not have insurance or adequate savings to cover his emergency medical expenses and near term living expenses. As I understand, in many African hospitals, care isn't given until the service fees are paid up front.

That was the premise behind the call for help. For that purpose, I was happy to contribute.

Where it rubbed me the wrong way was when word came from Conservation Force that they were receiving bills to pay the attorneys, not the doctors, or reimbursement for actual living expenses.

Yes, money is fungible. From that perspective, some are fine with how the donations were spent. Personally, I was not. That's not my view because I'm not sympathetic to Stu's need to recover a larger settlement for long term complications. It's my view because it's not the purpose for which the donations were requested.

My concern was that the funds were being sponged off by attorneys who normally take these types of cases on contingency. From my understanding, and I may well be wrong, attorneys reject the contingency model for these types of cases and ask for a retainer when there is a small chance of prevailing.

We recently had a family member become destitute. I, and both of our adult sons, began putting money into a checking account for him. His sister managed the account and paid his bills for him. We later found she was withdrawing several hundred dollars a month to go to Shreveport to the casinos and he wasn't getting what he needed. Needless to say, we stopped contributing to the checking account and started buying things for him that he needed directly.

My intent was to financially help Stu ... Not his attorney.

If I screw up a shot on a buffalo (which I've done) and the PH is hurt in the followup, am I liable?

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Originally posted by JohnDL:
If I screw up a shot on a buffalo (which I've done) and the PH is hurt in the followup, am I liable?

You shouldn’t!

I believe any reasonable person accepts that something can go wrong on safari, due to several reasons, and accept it.

Or stay home!

Our society has become so silly no one accepts responsibility for their own actions any more!

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Originally posted by JohnDL:
If I screw up a shot on a buffalo (which I've done) and the PH is hurt in the followup, am I liable?

Likely not, but what if instead of shooting a wounded buffalo you shoot your PH?

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Originally posted by VPEXP:

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Originally posted by JohnDL:
If I screw up a shot on a buffalo (which I've done) and the PH is hurt in the followup, am I liable?

Likely not, but what if instead of shooting a wounded buffalo you shoot your PH?

...or your PH shoots you?

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Originally posted by VPEXP:

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Originally posted by JohnDL:
If I screw up a shot on a buffalo (which I've done) and the PH is hurt in the followup, am I liable?

Likely not, but what if instead of shooting a wounded buffalo you shoot your PH?

Funny you should say that. I once had a PH who would take off running after buffalo following my first shot. The first time he did that I was in the process of trying to stick a solid up the buffalo's arse. I could easily have shot him and, needless to say, was pissed. Well... we sorted out our communications deficit and since that time I go over the "rules of the game" with the PH at the beginning of safaris.

This sport we've chosen can be dangerous.

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Originally posted by JohnDL:

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Originally posted by VPEXP:

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Originally posted by JohnDL:
If I screw up a shot on a buffalo (which I've done) and the PH is hurt in the followup, am I liable?

Likely not, but what if instead of shooting a wounded buffalo you shoot your PH?

Funny you should say that. I once had a PH who would take off running after buffalo following my first shot. The first time he did that I was in the process of trying to stick a solid up the buffalo's arse. I could easily have shot him and, needless to say, was pissed. Well... we sorted out our communications deficit and since that time I go over the "rules of the game" with the PH at the beginning of safaris.

This sport we've chosen can be dangerous.

Maybe this should be a different thread, but on three different incidents I have had a friend or PH run in front of me while trying to put a second shot into an animal. On one of the occasions I saw the PHs head in my scope and yes I yelled at him and told him how stupid he was.

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Originally posted by samir:

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Originally posted by JohnDL:

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Originally posted by VPEXP:

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Originally posted by JohnDL:
If I screw up a shot on a buffalo (which I've done) and the PH is hurt in the followup, am I liable?

Likely not, but what if instead of shooting a wounded buffalo you shoot your PH?

Funny you should say that. I once had a PH who would take off running after buffalo following my first shot. The first time he did that I was in the process of trying to stick a solid up the buffalo's arse. I could easily have shot him and, needless to say, was pissed. Well... we sorted out our communications deficit and since that time I go over the "rules of the game" with the PH at the beginning of safaris.

This sport we've chosen can be dangerous.

Maybe this should be a different thread, but on three different incidents I have had a friend or PH run in front of me while trying to put a second shot into an animal. On one of the occasions I saw the PHs head in my scope and yes I yelled at him and told him how stupid he was.

Fondly known as the burkina follow up

Mike

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Likely not, but what if instead of shooting a wounded buffalo you shoot your PH ... or your
PH shoots you?

It rarely happens but proven by Murphy that it does.

Your PH is there for a specific purpose but if you are the "gung-ho" type that wants to be in the thick of it, situations like this may happen.

Instead of people ranting on about the negatives of "African carry" they should be more focused on how to deport themselves when the decision is made to address a dangerous situation with two guns and have a set of rules of engagement in place

Agree with Todd: Money was for medical not to fatten the lawyers.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Likely not, but what if instead of shooting a wounded buffalo you shoot your PH ... or your
PH shoots you?

It rarely happens but proven by Murphy that it does.

Your PH is there for a specific purpose but if you are the "gung-ho" type that wants to be in the thick of it, situations like this may happen.

Instead of people ranting on about the negatives of "African carry" they should be more focused on how to deport themselves when the decision is made to address a dangerous situation with two guns and have a set of rules of engagement in place

Agree with Todd: Money was for medical not to fatten the lawyers.

Excellent advise!!!!

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by samir:

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Originally posted by JohnDL:

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Originally posted by VPEXP:

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Originally posted by JohnDL:
If I screw up a shot on a buffalo (which I've done) and the PH is hurt in the followup, am I liable?

Likely not, but what if instead of shooting a wounded buffalo you shoot your PH?

Funny you should say that. I once had a PH who would take off running after buffalo following my first shot. The first time he did that I was in the process of trying to stick a solid up the buffalo's arse. I could easily have shot him and, needless to say, was pissed. Well... we sorted out our communications deficit and since that time I go over the "rules of the game" with the PH at the beginning of safaris.

This sport we've chosen can be dangerous.

Maybe this should be a different thread, but on three different incidents I have had a friend or PH run in front of me while trying to put a second shot into an animal. On one of the occasions I saw the PHs head in my scope and yes I yelled at him and told him how stupid he was.

Fondly known as the burkina follow up

Mike

The Burkina follow up was me in front and 2 PHS behind me with a possible wounded lion and that no joke

My intentions were also to help Stu with medical & living expenses.
I still do not regret donating to the cause & received a magnificent lion print that hangs in my bedroom. Thanks Andrew.

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:
My intentions were also to help Stu with medical & living expenses.
I still do not regret donating to the cause & received a magnificent lion print that hangs in my bedroom. Thanks Andrew.

Yeah, money is money wherever you spend it.

Thanks for the compliment.

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The Burkina follow up was me in front and 2 PHS behind me with a possible wounded lion and that no joke

Jesus. Don't hunt with that cluster again.