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Update 1: Looks like they folded, and likely more to come: USA Today BBC Update 2: UPS continues to ship legally hunted trophies: UPS I applaud these guys, as should we all. Anyone have experience with these folks when it comes to trophy shipments? Please share. Feel free to PM updates if you'd like this post updated. | ||
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Seems that if they won't accept my trophies, then I'll need to seriously reconsider myself as a passenger. And, I'm a perennial Diamond or Platinum frequent flyer. I'll be send an email later this week. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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I have had sea freight once from Namibia, is was great, and cheaper than air. However, I'm expecting this to crush the safari industry and lead to people to look to other hunting destination without all the BS. I was a serious Delta fan, and now, I'm just disappointed. | |||
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This has been in the works for a few weeks, even back when everyone was bashing SAA and Emirates for their carriage policy. I will continue to fly Delta when it fits my travel schedule and will manage to get my trophies home somehow and I would wager other hunters will too. I wonder if fares will increase on SAA now that they are about the only game in town for shipping trophies home from Africa? Karl Evans | |||
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"Effective immediately, Delta will officially ban shipment of all lion, leopard, elephant, rhinoceros and buffalo trophies worldwide as freight. " I find it interesting their choice is the traditional Big 5. Why the heck would they include Buffalo? Duh!! ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Most likely because it is called the "Big 5". Look for the next thing to be anything in a "Grand Slam". | |||
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Well it specifically says "...as freight" in the text, so as long as you can fit your stuff in a carry on then you should be fine. Buffalo horns may be a bit cumbersome, however, so make sure you have a friend helping you out when you are lifting to stow in the overhead bin. | |||
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Because is much nicer marketing to say all big five. SCI and a few people on AR managed to get DAL top level management to support shipping of trophies. But after Cecil it is just not worth it for Delta to have to deal with shipping issues. Its a business and offending a lot of people by shipping at best less than $5 mil of animal trophies is just not worth it. Thanks Cecil. Time for sea freight. Mike | |||
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If they won't fly my trophies, they won't fly me!!! | |||
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Called SCI not that big of a response ( no enthusiasm) Oh ok. Called NRA/ILA was very receptive and thanked me for being a member and would pass it on. Life member NRA formally scrappy | |||
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i assume this post is meant to be a joke??? Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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Really? Geez...  | |||
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 Trust only those who stand to lose as much as you do when things go wrong. | |||
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That explains why Delta lost my paper work accompanying my Zim. trophy shipment that arrived in the states last week. | |||
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I called Delta Customer Service a few minutes ago. A young lady answered the phone, and I asked if they would record the conversation. They did. I explained kindly to her, that Delta would be contributing to the eventual extermination of all game in Africa. She sounded surprised, when I told her that the only money that comes in to Africa that is actually used to fund game preserves, and prevent poaching the Big Cats and Elephant and Rhino to extinction were the fees paid by sportsman hunters legally licensed to to take the elderly trophy animals. She said, to me, you mean Delta could actually be contributing to loss of wildlife there? I told her yes, that the people who go on camera/photo safaris generally only go once, and do not pay more than ten-percent of the cost of keeping the animals safe from poachers. | |||
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there is a big difference between freight and checked luggage( as opposed to carryon luggage). you can check game heads in a bag but i doubt they would fit in an overhead carryon space. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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They did that twice with my ex-boss. Both times Ivory from Bots. Almost ended up with a seizure of tusks. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Hence forth, I will not fly Delta! | |||
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 How about my elephant tusks? Think those would fit? I can just wear my leopard as a headress and/or shoulder cape during the flight, so I'm less worried about that. | |||
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I have been a platinum on Delta but am no longer since I retired I wonder if there is s business opportunity to charter a cargo jet several times per year from Africa to Chicago or other usa cities. NRA Patron member | |||
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Does anyone have a name or email for the proper person with Delta to contact voicing opposition? I'm not going to waste my time with some customer service rep who doesn't know how to spell Africa. I've been a big supporter of Delta, Sky MIles card, etc. No more, all goes in the trash. | |||
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Let's hope someone had that contact and e mail address and phone number. All of us should give them our opinion on this an, I will. NRA Patron member | |||
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I have been getting ready to ship some stuff home by sea freight and guess what. They are not wanting to ship animal trophys either now. Have had more then one peronsay no ocean freight of animals is going on at all. | |||
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This may be a start: Delta Leadership Global Cargo? Customer Engagement and Loyalty? Cargo Operations? I'm thinking you may have a better chance of actually getting a conversation if you start at one of the team leaders. Just a thought, though. | |||
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Thanks TJ. There is an e mail link in what you sent. I emailed them a constructive but direct request to reverse their ban on the shipment of legally taken game/trophies. I hope all of you do as well. NRA Patron member | |||
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Jesus H Christ What an empty heads... " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Holy shit!Is this for real? My buddy and me have waited for 11 months to get our trophies from Moz to SA and finally home. They include buff and we each have our first and probably last leoprad. We always fly Delta and this is a nightmare scenario. asupposed to go back next year for 2 buff each. This is crazy! | |||
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Meaning to say we just got notice this week our trophies are in SA after an 11 month wait and still need shipped to us here in US. Un f......believable!!! | |||
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This isn't over yet. | |||
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I am picking up a shipment from Delta tomorrow that includes 2 Buffalo-- apparently just in time. I agree with Larry, this isn't over yet. They will hear from me and I hope lots of others. I have flown Delta 12 times to Africa-I intend to point that out to them and that I have other options. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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I hope that SCI,NRA and DSC can reach as many hunters possible and get the message out that Delta is against them and their way of life.This might make millions of gun owners and hunters think twice about flying Delta. | |||
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Lately it just never stops. One thing after another. Hopefully hunters will band together and let them know what they think about this move and boycott them. Sadly, hunters make up a tiny percentage of the customer base. The other thing is that most will do little more than pay lip service to the issue and then keep flying with them. Back when Air Canada implemented an extra baggage fee for firearms I told them what I thought and quit flying with them. Told all my hunters to boycott them. Sadly everyone quickly forgot, knuckled under and paid the fee and kept flying with them......... even though there were alternatives. This could get very problematic in the near future if more and more airlines continue to jump on the bandwagon. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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I would also like to see a record kept of every individual`s name or identity that makes a death threat toward a hunter on any of the social media so that we can pursue them legally.It might make others think twice about what they say.I think this is what SCI,NRA and DSC should be addressing-on line hostilities towards hunters or ordinary citizens. | |||
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Why are SCI and DSC not attacking. This is a legal activity and no different than not making a wedding cake simple discrimination. | |||
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What the dentist did with Cecil may, or may not, have been illegal, but he sure as God made little green frogs screwed us up royally. There are things you can do lawfully, but really shouldn't do just out of common sense. I have a lion in RSA that isn't scheduled to ship until Oct. I'm one of the filthy rich that just writes a check for my very expensive, ego-massaging hunts. Why, it only took me four years of damn serious saving to put the money together for this, my last safari (70 yrs old), so I guess I better enjoy the photos. BTW: I just read another opinion in my newspaper that said,"Since the proliferation of high-powered assault rifles which can be fired in semi-automatic or automatic mode, I suspect no one guides hunters into the African bush without a powerful backup arsenal of high-impact armaments." John M. Crisp Tribune News Service jcrispdelmar.edu | |||
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This NYT article states that 15K American hunters travel to Africa each year. That's not an insigficant number. 15K signatures on a petition would certainly get the airline's attention. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08...mprod=nytcore-iphone ___________________________________________________________________________________________ | |||
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Just wrote an email to Delta explaing how we prefer to use Delta to fly with firearms and dogs to all sporting locations-especially Africa but can no longer do so unless they rescind this emotional ban on shipping legally hunted trophies. I am a asky amiles member and use Delta whenever and wherever posiible. One person can't sway them but if we all right that is a good start. Now if SCI, DSC and others who puport to speak for us and back us up we may get somewhere. I know one thing is certain-if we do nothing and say nothing we are doomed to lose. | |||
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