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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...ion-shooting-it.html Link has video, photos and article. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | ||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWv-qrnvJwM Direct link to youtube video. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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Social media and the display of video kill shots will be the death of international trophy hunting. Change my mind. I hunt, not to kill, but in order not to have played golf.... DRSS | |||
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Didn't look too sporting to me. | |||
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Where else would one come across an accent like that?  Scruples, morals and ethics don't exist in some people's vocabulary.  | |||
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I'm certainly no expert but looks like a drugged, canned lion. Sure as hell didn't involve any "trophy evaluation", just walked out in the open and set up the sticks. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Guys, When I hunted lion if I had come across the lion we wanted, he was sleeping in a riverbed and we could get close enough for a shot I would have shot him. Once in awhile in hunting you are presented an obvious gift. I think it is bad luck to reject that gift. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Mark, How would you know it was one you wanted if all you were presented with was a view of its belly? Can you evaluate a lion from that angle? Tracking a lion off a kill and stalking into position for a shot is one thing, this looks canned. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Jeff, We don't know how long they had been watching the lion or from what angle. The video starts as they are walking out into the riverbed to shoot the lion. I'm not sure it was this lion but something like this was posted years back. I don't remember the whole story I just don't think we should condemn these folks without knowing what actually happened. How many elephants do you think have been shot while they snoozed in the shade? A lot! Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Just not cricket. | |||
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I feel no obligation to wake an animal up to shoot it, but I still think that's a canned, probably drugged, lion. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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You are probably right. In Chete, Zimbabwe, we saw a lioness on our way back to camp for lunch. She was a very large cat, and had half a warthog in its mouth. She took off when she saw us. We decided to go to camp, have lunch, then go and follow her. We did, and as there was very little shade, we found her asleep under a boabab tree. She was lying hidden from us, and only part of her was vissible. WE had a discussion, do we wait until she wakes up, or do we wake her up. There was a chance that as we woke her up she might disappear and we get no shot. We decided to wake her up. Roy threw a stone to the side, she jumped up, and I shot her. | |||
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Everyone jumping to conclusions before knowing the full story-Who is to say that they had not been tracking it all day and had seen and evaluated the trophy already. Who is to say they had not already had numerous trail cam pics of it from a bait and followed it out from a bait? I recognise the river, the Ph and the client. What I can the tell you is this- It aint no canned lion hunt, the Ph is well respected and the client is an extremely ethical and hard hunting gentleman that I have had the pleasure of sharing camp with before and I hope again. As to shooting the lion lying down my view on that is it is a personal decision. What I do know very well is that the Antis will and do take everything out of context but as fellow hunters please lets not help them with their agenda by back biting our fellow hunters!!! | |||
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The hunters personal decision. I still think that hunting videos in most cases are very damaging. | |||
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As an editor, I have to be selective about what material I publish. I have my personal bugbears, and I will bin any photos that show hunters sitting on carcasses or posing in any way that implies anything but respect for their quarry, text that can be misconstrued as referencing diesel stalking, &c. I have rejected a number of great trophy pics because the beaming hunter was cradling a rifle with a closed bolt pointed at his head. Forums like YouTube mean that anyone can post anything, but I would encourage hunters to think photos and videos through before they post - perhaps the PH can offer advice as well. Not only is Buzz correct about the antis, but - also speaking as an editor - I can assure you that the media outlets will be all too complicit, because their bottom line is selling copy to sell advertising. | |||
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It was this lady who wrote that drivel and apparently the mail is now conducting a search for the hunter to name and shame him. https://www.facebook.com/TheStephanieHaney/ And this lady is initiating the search jen.smith@mailonline.com ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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To whom it may concern:  Regards, Chris Troskie Tel. +27 82 859-0771 email. chris@ct-safaris.com Sabrisa Ranch Ellisras RSA www.ct-safaris.com https://youtu.be/4usXceRdkH4 | |||
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it's good to observe the enemy. She is a millennial that gathers all of her information from a glowing box. Urbanite. Apparently devoid of deeper thought and prone to emotional responses if you look through her Facebbok page. Case in Point: She still has a post up about the lying criminal race baiting fraudster Jussie Smollet apologizing for his horrible treatment. Jeff | |||
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Anyone ever shot a bedded deer, elk or pronghorn ? I have plenty of times If I'm sneaky and silent enough to spot the deer it its bed and put the bullet where its suppose to go, end of story I like my venison with mashed potatoes | |||
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Buzz is 100% correct on this guys. I also know who the client and PH are and know the source of this film clip. All involved are very well respected people and indeed, this cat was hunted for long and hard and was happened upon going into the blind for a sit. This is the problem with the antis and we need to recognize it immediately. They will take whatever bit of info they can get their hands on and present it without context, or worse, in false context, in order to create the largest outcry possible. It's one thing for them to get the uninformed masses whipped up against us. Worse when they can pull the wool over our own eyes and get us to turn against each other. Take the recent bruha over Jines' hunt as an example. | |||
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Same here, I’m surprised at the reaction of some of the people posting on this thread. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...ed-Illinois-man.html Article about the hunter in the video. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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Some just feel the need to jump the gun and put anything down anymore. So sad how some hunters buy right in to the anti hunter bs. They have no facts no details but throw words like canned hunt drugged lion and so on. Why stuff keeps getting posted on hunting sites that is from the anti side is beyond me. Why help them spread the lies. We just keep help burying ourselves so a few can feel better about themselves. | |||
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Unfortunately the way hunters view shooting a sleeping game animal depends on their self interest.Who shot it? Is he a friend? Does he give me money? If I don't like the fellow I will bash him and what he did... This is classic AR attitude.Same for canned hunting, hunting collared animals, hunting near park boundaries etc...If you are against something there is nothing wrong with feeling that way and saying it but don't cry when your turn to be judged arrives. | |||
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I know them both as well. This was not canned , nor the lion drugged. Shooting a "resting" lion after tracking the quarry is somehow not sporting to some of you here--really? In my book, On a stalk, you take the shot offered by the quarry. As to not sporting, not cricket- Perhaps he should have changed to a loin cloth on the spot and then approached only with spear and knife ? DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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What Buzz said. Highly respected PH. Not canned, wild area. We don’t know how long they had been looking at that lion. Had it recently fed at one of their baits? They tracked it to the river and found it sleeping? I agree that videos and photos are going to be the death of our sport... | |||
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It certainly appears I was completely wrong. I stand corrected. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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This^ ___________________________________________________________________________________ Give me the simple life; an AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store. | |||
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Thanks Buzz. Marius Goosen KMG Hunting Safaris Cell, Whats App, Signal + 27 82 8205387 E-mail: info@huntsafaris.co.za Website: www.huntsafaris.co.za Skype: muis19820603 Check us out on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kmghuntingsafaris Instagram: @kmg_hunting_safaris | |||
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I will simply say this hunters do as good or better job of eating our own. On here and other modes of communication. We cannot win this and will not win this as we simply choose to mount our high horse at every opportunity and tear each other apart. Frankly I am getting sick of it. Jeff | |||
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Gentlemen Buzz is correct that this was not a doped up lion, and that they knew the quality of this lion before they shot it. I have this film in my film library and Buzz is correct! The lion had visited the bait earlier and was filmed with a game camera. They were waiting in the blind for him to come in, and when he didn't show, they got out of the blind a spotted him sleeping in the dry river below. They moved around to get a clean shot instead of trying for him through the bush and maybe wounding him and letting him run off, and die a a lingering death. When they got a clear shot they took him, and assured he would not run off and suffer. About 80 % of the so-called "doping canned hunt allegations" are just that allegations with no proof! In this case I know this was a justified kill! …………………………………………………….. "OPINION"  … ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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1+ It seems some people are addicted to fakebook and will suffer the consequences of posting their glory photos..If you drink the potion suffer the consequences. | |||
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The only outpouring of disgust I have is for Stephanie Haney and the DailyMail. Someday I hope to skulk up on a sleeping lion and shoot him. | |||
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No amount of “ RIGHT” can be enough for anti hunters There will always be “ WRONG ” in their hearts and minds I tried many times to give them the benefit of the doubt and explain things and it always seems to backfire I simply don’t give a quarter anymore if someone has beef with my activities and if they push it, well, they got another thing coming Really no different then TDS people ( all the same ) " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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I remember an article about 30 years ago, by John Wooters, titled "Hunters, hang together... or hang separately." To sit back, as I've seen many do, and say "Well, THIS type of hunting is BAD/UNETHICAL etc, but the type of hunting that I do is GOOD/ETHICAL"... you are kidding yourself. The antis hate YOU. They will ruin YOU if they get the chance. Today, it's 'iconic' species. Later it will be others. Brothers and Sisters, we should be closing ranks. | |||
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You only have to read the last few years worth of posts to realize that a lot of people here on AR have chosen to hang separately. What was once a great source of information has turned into a site of bickering, fake news and sensationalism. If we can’t respect each other as hunters how can be expect non hunters to respect us. Victor Watson Karoo Wild Safaris Email: info@karoowildsafaris.co.za Cell: (+27) 721894588 www.karoowildsafaris.co.za | |||
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A kill shot with a lot of agony should never be allowed for public viewing. Not in this day! | |||
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I remember posting a few years ago- (edit: someone reminded me: Nearly 10 years ago) if we allow the concept of animal rights- we had already lost- so here we are a few years later- animal rights are escalated in force legislatively at an ever increasing rate around the globe as human rights are deescalated in force . I took a great deal of critique then- probably will now- Non-human animals have no rights , other than those granted by governments/ people- Any compromised position to that-- we lose- truly is that simple, we are done here- glad I am old and will not see the full effect- loss of our freedoms/rights, the right to free speech, the right to self defense, the right to life,liberty etc, etc-- IT is coming, all of it-- As it appears to me DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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