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I picked up a S&W revolver 357 mag, no model # under the grips on the butt is stamped S 130###. can anyone give me some info, barrel measures 8 5/16. I'm guessing its considered just 8 1/4. came from a collector that was known for expensive guns, wondering what the real history is or who's it was. barrel has exterior wear on each side at the muzzle end, the blueing is polished off like it has holster wear, or duty wear. assembly numbers match and the wheel is smooth and tight. shoots sweet and accurate. total joy to shoot
 
Posts: 59 | Location: Southern Maryland | Registered: 26 January 2013Reply With Quote
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Your revolver was made in 1954 or 1955, most likely 1955. It is sometimes known to collectors as a "pre-model 27" since this model was assigned the number 27 when S&W began using model numbers in 1955. The "S" serial prefix began in 1950 at s/n S75000.

It is made on the large N frame. These were and are very high quality revolvers, well made of the best materials then available, and with S&W's best bright blue finish.

The lower-priced Highway Patrolman ("pre-model 28") was also made on the N frame in .357 Magnum during the same time period and numbered in the same sequence, but with a satin blue finish. The Highway Patrolman was made with either 4" or 6" barrel. Since your revolver has the longer barrel it is most likely a pre-model 27.

The barrel length should be 8 3/8" measured from cylinder face to muzzle. The reason for this rather unusual barrel length was to give a 10" sight radius, the maximum allowed under NRA bullseye competition rules.

Of course I have no idea who owned it, though if you were to get in touch with S&W they could most likely provide the date on which it left the factory and the dealer to whom it was shipped.

It's a revolver much admired both by S&W collectors and by revolver shooting enthusiasts. The 33rd edition of Fjestad's Blue Book suggests this model with 90% remaining original finish is valued at $1,345 plus an additional 10% for the 8 3/8" barrel.

I'm sure, as you say, it is a total joy to shoot. A most excellent revolver, I'm glad it is in the hands of someone who appreciates it.
 
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I love it even more so knowing I only paid $225 for it, the blueing is in fine shape and is worn only on the barrel and there's a green tint looking patina (sp?) under the blueing. I'll post a pic if I can, and thanks for the info and your time
 
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225 are you sure its not stolen that was a steal.
 
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I think the guy just didn't know what it was, I looked at several pictures in books and it looks like some of them so he may have mistaken it.
 
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Think the value would go down if I had it refurbished mainly reblued to look nice
 
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Yes, the value would drop significantly if you had it re-blued. PLEASE leave it as it is...
 
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with most of the bluing gone It appears more of a shooter then collector
 
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Nice revolver as a shooter but your ability to describe condition leaves a bit to be desired. Roll Eyes


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At that price I yelled "sold" before even shooting it. at $225 I was prepared to hang it on the wall, My ability to decribe is swayed by the fact that I love guns so much they all look beautifully perfect. So the condition its in now would this gun be a good candidate for a refurbishment? (reblueing)
 
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Personally, with rare exceptions (engraved guns requiring re-blue primarily), I detest re-blued guns. I wouldn't do it, but it's your gun and your money. IF I was going to get it done, I'd be very careful about who I chose to do the work. Well done, it MIGHT enhance the value a bit, poorly done it would hurt it for sure. Doing a good job of polishing on a revolver is not easy, many of the stamps are not deep.


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you paid 225 for you well not lose value unless you destroyed it.

Re blue it and I'll give you 250 for it.

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thats my thinking, I almost can't devalue it below my purchase, but I dont want to destroy any future options...what the heck it shoots great and is fun to carry around the farm I may just leave it alone.
 
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What about sending it back to S&W to have it re-finished?
 
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What about sending it back to S&W to have it re-finished?


never thought about it, Do they do that? wonder what that would cost?
 
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Smith and Wesson will refinish the gun for you, probably at a very attractive price. I suggest you talk to our own Too Many Tools, John Farmer. He did a Winchester 12 shotgun for me and did a wonderful job. He is also very honest and will tell you after looking at the gun if it should be done at all or just cleaned up.
I was going to have the wood redone on the model 12 by him and he said... leave it as it will keep the value higher if you ever want to resell, it in very good condition for its age.
 
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That looks like an early 27 with a gold bead front sight. I would not touch it, just use as is. If you really have to have it redone I would sent it back thru the S&W custom shop and let them reblue it. I have heard they have a very long lead time.
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Pre-model 27.
The grips are worth $400 to $600 alone if they are what are called 'Coke Bottle Style' grips. The name comes from the coke bottle profile when looking at the grips from the rear. The slight palm swell is very noticable in that era of mfg'r of Target Grip and that is where the shape and the nick-name came from.

The grips should be serial numbered on the inside of the Right panel (only) if they are the original factory grips for the gun. That would be another plus in value.

The rear of the cylinder, the bbl in the ejector rod cut-out, and the crane should all be serial numbered to the frame. The frame ser# is on the bottom of the grip/butt.
The crane (called the yoke by S&W) ser# is visable by lining up any chamber with the back edge of the yoke arm and shining a light down the chamber.
Check the bbl number carefully. It should be very plainly stamped in that ejector rod cut-out. The heavy loss of bbl blue would make some suspect a replacement bbl.
Also , with the grips off,,check the side of the prip frame itself,,the metal, for very small date stamp in the form of a month-year. For example 5-71 (May-1971),,That would be a work-date code indicating the gun was returned for repair. The exact repair cannot usually be determined in the factory records. But any ovbious change like a bbl replacement is usually a pretty safe bet. It could have been something as simple as adj of a screw or spring the customers satisfaction.

The 8 3/8" was a standard offereing. The square red front bead was IIRC a special order front sight.

The revolver was actually cataloged as the 'Model .357'. All the pistols had model names (Military & Police,,K22 Outdoorsman, 357 Highway Patrolman,,,,ect.
After 1956/57, the model names were dropped and model numbers were assigned in their place.
The M&P became the Model 10 , K22 became the Mod 17, the Model 357 became the Model 27 .
The Highway Patrolman became the Model 28.

If the pre-27 is all original configuration,,the target grips are original, the front sight bead prooves to be factory original and the Coke style grips are the one shipped when it left S&W,,,I'd hold off on any re-blue/restoration till you see what value & comments the Smith collectors put on it.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/forum.php
Logg in over here,,great bunch w/a vast knowledge of collecting, restoration,,buying, selling, gunsmithing, ect.
Factory letters are available for most S&W firearms from the Companys Historian who is also a member on that forum,
Factory re-finishinh is sometimes an option. Much discussion about that very decision. For a time, the Factory was not accepting work on pre-model number desgnated pieces,,,no work on an M&P cal38,,,but thy'd accept Model 10 cal38 for work.
 
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The front sight is what was once called a 'Call Bead' and was a special order item. I know as that is what my 3 1/2" bbl Nickeled has on it. Mine has factory numbered Magna style grips. I sent it back to S&W several years ago for a total refinish which they did and also replaced the trigger return spring. They actually had the person who was going to work on the gun call me and discuss anything special I might want. The refinish was flawless in every manner, so much so I haven't had the heart to blacken the front of the cylinder again since I got it back. It came back with a nice invoice from Smith of the work performed. Cannot recommend them highly enough. It has special meaning to me as it was my high school graduation gift special ordered for me by my Father.


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All numbers match, a few stray things like the "S" "3" and "2" on the frame also a "G" and a "7" around the assy number, the yoke matches I just could not get a picture
 
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Not actually a 'call bead' as it is red and it is square. The original call bead is gold and is round. Have never seen one exactly like this one.


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A couple of other points. Those are not "coke" grips, but they are non relieved (no football cutout at top of Lt grip) diamond target grips. They are worth more than you paid for the entire gun. The last set I sold, I sold for $350, but they were in better shape. FWIW "coke" grips were only used, unless special order, on the S&W 44 and 41 magnum handguns, and they were rarely numbered to the gun.
 
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If it were mine, and I decided to refinish it, I would send it to Doug Turnbull, then with a Turnbull refinish the gun would be worth some big bucks..


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My understanding is S&W won't refinish any non model marked guns.
 
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Thus thread is almost two years old why was it brought back to life
 
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why not? Everyone loves a nice pre 27!
 
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