Is Speed everything ?

04 September 2015, 23:03

npd345

I hope I am not that RPM360 owner you are referring to. I prefer to not shoot on game past 40. No matter how fast my bow.

Speed is helpful but nowhere near as important as smoothness, consistency and the bow being quiet.

The reason the companies keep trying to increase speed is ,IMHO, because that what sells bows to the new shooters as well as some of the old.

Speed does help makeup for poor range estimation for sure but it also magnifies every error in your form.

It all boils down to practice, practice and more practice with what you plan to use.

I have no idea how fast my RPM360 is and don't really care. It is smooth, quiet and consistent; that is what matter to me.

Jon I plan on using the 360, I got from you next week on antelope.

I have the below pictured buck coming in every three days for the last month. (clock not set correctly though!)

God how I love trail cameras!!

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
at the risk of oversimplifying the accuracy thing; every week I see some newbie at the shop get 1/2 hour's worth of hands on training and be able to keep their arrows in a 3" or smaller group at 20yds with sights.

If what you gentlemen have posted is true, why do the archery companies keep increasing speed?

Any of you ever been to Redding for the premier 3D shoot of the country, or to the IFAA in Vegas the week of SCI?
There's a software program that lets you input data like arrow length, weight, and velocity, a few other things, and the sight you are using.
It then prints out a tape from 20-120yds or so in 1yd increments. The serious competitors carry a nifty little rangefinder monocular that reads in 1yd increments as well.

The local guys that shoot those two matches tell me that speed is the most important part of the equation.

One of the posters here will take a clean shot at big game here in Idaho out to sixty yards. He is a very accurate shot. He just bought a new RPM360. He did NOT buy it for the smoothness, he bought it for the speed.

A friend who is a PH in RSA guides archery clients as well as firearm clients, and mostly hunts himself with a compound. Another RPM360 owner. He believes that speed matters more than any other part of the equation.

the data Steve posted, very impressive. That said, does it include a constant decay rate, or one that is unique the individual projectile tested?

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree here on the #1 priority for a hunting bow.

regards,

Rich

09 September 2015, 13:23

Idaho Sharpshooter

Weighed all six of the arrows I fitted broadheads to this afternoon.

I am shooting a Carbon Injexion Deep Six Micro OD 330 that weighs 10.1gr per inch. With 100gr Muzzy Trocars and a 32 inch total length from nock to broadhead tip they weigh 467gr average for all six. And they clocked 327fps today.

Rich

PS: the local guy I was talking about WAS shooting broadhead tipped hunting arrows at 50yds this morning...

10 September 2015, 02:11

npd345

at a target not an animal, and it was 40 yards. 50 was the one closer to the building
And not doing very well at it if I may say so myself!!
shane

11 September 2015, 09:29

Idaho Sharpshooter

I may have been speaking about the third member of our party...

11 September 2015, 11:15

npd345

that was a Matthews not a Bowtech.

he left for elk camp today and I leave for antelope Saturday

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I may have been speaking about the third member of our party...

11 September 2015, 13:11

Idaho Sharpshooter

distance...

12 September 2015, 10:51

npd345

he is shooting at 40 with me

16 September 2015, 08:53

Idaho Sharpshooter

did you really kill an antelope with 16"+ horns using a speed bow a couple days ago?

16 September 2015, 10:05

npd345

Yes I did!!! And at 40 yards!!

the speed sure as hell didn't hurt the situation but was one of many things that came together to make this buck of a live time mine

16 September 2015, 19:43

Biebs

Hey, that was MY bow!!! :-)

17 September 2015, 02:06

npd345

Was!!!!

17 September 2015, 03:55

Idaho Sharpshooter

Biebs,

that WAS a speedbow when you owned it, wasn't it?

17 September 2015, 04:31

npd345

Your killing me Rich with this fetish of the word "speedbow"

If the only reason a person bought a certain hunting bow was for speed, and speed only, he is a fxxking idiot.

Many factors make a good bow and having all of those factors/traits makes a fantastic bow;which the Bowtech RPM 360 is; but the only thing that makes it a better bow, than say my Destroyer 340, is the short axle to axle for in the blind not speed.

17 September 2015, 07:13

Idaho Sharpshooter

wanna talk fetish? Let's talk about women...

31 October 2015, 06:34

bluetick

quote:

Speed does help makeup for poor range estimation for sure but it also magnifies every error in your form.

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How does it "magnify" error? Please explain.

31 October 2015, 20:38

Idaho Sharpshooter

you have convinced me of the error of my ways.

I'm going to buy a new longbow.

If speed isn't what I think it is, a 30 pound draw and 100fps should suffice...

01 November 2015, 06:09

bluetick

Read closely. Every thing between the blue lines is a quote.
I have never understood what these guys mean when they spout such rediculous notions as speed hurts accuracy. It makes no sense!

01 November 2015, 06:10

bluetick

npd345 said it not me.

01 November 2015, 08:52

Idaho Sharpshooter

I know, but he got me a ride to the gun show in Boise this morning.

The speed debate is funny, coming from a guy who upgraded from a Bowtech Destroyer 340 to an RPM 360. But NOT, he says, for the added speed...

I've known him since 1982.

01 November 2015, 10:24

npd345

If everything in your form is good speed will not hurt it in fact it will probably help.

However if you have problems with how you release the arrow, how you hold your arm or your follow thru in my experience that will effect the arrow flight and the consistency of your arrow placement.

Basically, I am saying, if you can't shoot well with an arrow at 200fps or 240fps going to 300fps is not going to help and in my experience only make it worse.

The faster the arrow the more critical the form. Bad form means bad arrow flight.

I am a bowhunter, plain and simple and have been for 40 years. I have done some target shooting; indoor and outdoor and worked in a pro shop. I am no expert and will never claim to be. I do have my opinion.

I don't shy away from a fast bow I just don't feel that it is the great thing some claim it to be for archery.

Just one of many factors to consider or not consider.

I have hunted with longbows an a recurve as well as compounds. I now use a compound because that is what works best for ME.

quote:
Originally posted by bluetick:
npd345 said it not me.

01 November 2015, 10:34

npd345

Rich as you say we have known wach other since 1982.

Your post makes me believe that you don't believe the reason I got another bow was not for speed.

Both the Destroyer 340 and the RPM360 are fine bow each the better for certain types of hunting. I still have both as well as several other bows.

Actually the reason I wanted this bow was for the shorter axle to axle length for use in a blind.

But if you choose to not believe that and choose to insinuate that I am not being trueful about this I can only say ,that on this subject you can kiss my ass. bsflag

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I know, but he got me a ride to the gun show in Boise this morning.

The speed debate is funny, coming from a guy who upgraded from a Bowtech Destroyer 340 to an RPM 360. But NOT, he says, for the added speed...

I've known him since 1982.

01 November 2015, 13:31

Idaho Sharpshooter

how vulgar...

01 November 2015, 22:53

npd345

02 November 2015, 17:46

Biebs

I thought it was a compliment! Shane doesn't let just anybody kiss his ass :-)

02 November 2015, 21:31

Idaho Sharpshooter

Biebs,

You have some personal anecdotal stories to relate here...?

02 November 2015, 23:31

Biebs

Anecdotal??? There you go with those dirty words again! :-)

03 November 2015, 16:06

p dog shooter

quote:
If what you gentlemen have posted is true, why do the archery companies keep increasing speed

Because it sells new bow.

I have killed deer with a long bow then a recurve then a 4 wheel Allen compound then a cam compound. Then a high end Matthews at over 300 fps now a cross bow,

Shot a buck 3 nights ago 18 yards didn't have a clue I was around most likely I could have killed him with any of the above,

That said the move from the long bow to bows with faster speed has helped placing the arrow on target.

How fast is fast enough beats me.

04 November 2015, 04:33

npd345

Very well said.

I said it before and I will say it again; if the only reason you buy a particular bow is because of its advertised speed that person is an idiot.

Lots of factors go into making a great bow; speed is one of them but not the only one or even the most important.

04 November 2015, 10:17

Idaho Sharpshooter

Is it true that the shorter, axle to axle, a bow is, the more hand shock and vibration there is?

04 November 2015, 18:47

npd345

No it depends on the bow

02 January 2016, 12:30

African Barefoot Safaris

I have one thing to say....
SPEED KILLS!!!!

02 January 2016, 17:02

p dog shooter

quote:
Originally posted by African Barefoot Safaris:
I have one thing to say....
SPEED KILLS!!!!

As long as the arrow penetrates the vitals that is all the speed one needs.

03 January 2016, 07:36

Idaho Sharpshooter

p dog,

NPD and I have both hunted with Reon. He shoots a Bowtech 360, and so does NPD345. Claimed 360fps. Me, I'm the slacker with my Mathews Monster Wake at 352...

05 January 2016, 05:37

DTala

speed is for sure everything....

yesterday afternoon....

my 52# recurve shoots that hickory shafted arrow at a blistering 150fps.....

05 January 2016, 10:26

npd345

is that a obsidian arrowhead??

congrats to a true traditional archer!!

05 January 2016, 19:17

DTala

npd345, yes it is Obsidian I knapped prolly 15 years ago and killed a doe that year with it. Broke the top on the doe and resharpened it and put it away till the other day...

the shaft is hickory which is very heavy and tough as nails. It will bend like this one, or worse, and can be heated and straightened.

06 January 2016, 09:39

npd345

Good for you!!

I good, local, friend of mine has been knapping his heads for years. he has taken elk, deer and bear with them. They are scary sharp.

shane

06 January 2016, 11:10

African Barefoot Safaris

DTala, you should bring your stick bow over to Africa... I had my first traditional hunter over in 2015 and he had a blast!!!

06 January 2016, 11:18

DTala

Like this???

PH Jim Mackie and I in Zimbabwe 2005....

06 January 2016, 23:51

African Barefoot Safaris

Yes Sir just like that!!But with some animals around... Did you get to shoot anything while you where over there?